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Old 05-27-2009 | 02:19 PM
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ALPA could start a ad campaign against outsourcing of flying to less experienced flight crews to improve profits.
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Old 05-27-2009 | 02:35 PM
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ALPA could have an attorney read over all ALPA contracts before signing looking for loop holes (eg. Midwests Scope language) in the contract language.
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Old 05-27-2009 | 03:11 PM
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ALPA could start a ad campaign against outsourcing of flying to less experienced flight crews to improve profits.
Of course, then that airline (or individual pilots) could legally raise a DFR issue if they are ALPA.

Additionally, there are many highly experienced pilots flying regional aircraft and any pilot who is willing to be suckered into believing that all are inexperienced or less safe simply by the virtue of the fact they fly regional sized aircraft believes too many poorly reasearched and biased newspaper stories.

Of course, many pilots (especially mainline) prefer to believe this because of the degree of emotion that they have allowed to overtake them.
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Old 05-27-2009 | 05:04 PM
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When the company and ALPA meet to negotiate, the company shows up with professional negotiators. ALPA shows up with a "negotiating committee" made up of local members. The professional negotiators are charging a fee for their services, and are being paid out of the company's coffers, to negotiate against the union members who are employees of the same company!

My question is, why does management get to have access to company funds to hire outside agencies to negotiate their position against us, while we have to fund our negotiators whether they be professional or local union members?

We're all employees of the same company! We should have access to the same funds as the company from the same source!
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Old 05-27-2009 | 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
Of course, then that airline (or individual pilots) could legally raise a DFR issue if they are ALPA.

Additionally, there are many highly experienced pilots flying regional aircraft and any pilot who is willing to be suckered into believing that all are inexperienced or less safe simply by the virtue of the fact they fly regional sized aircraft believes too many poorly reasearched and biased newspaper stories.

Of course, many pilots (especially mainline) prefer to believe this because of the degree of emotion that they have allowed to overtake them.


OK, then a ad campaign that airlines outsource flying to other airlines (ie. regionals) to bust pilot unions.
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Old 05-27-2009 | 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by MD80
OK, then a ad campaign that airlines outsource flying to other airlines (ie. regionals) to bust pilot unions.
Can't see any problem with that........other then its lack of results. The flying public doesn't give a rats patoot about pilots or their unions. Actually, most consider unionisation to be one of the problems that lets marginal pilots slip by (both mainline and regional) or why drunks busted at security get their jobs back or why UAL pilots were milking UAL for $300,000/year and working 10 days a month for it (that is not the whole story, but it's one the average passenger believes).

Most of them aren't in unions and exist under the merit system and I think this wouldn't help.
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Old 06-06-2009 | 05:04 PM
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Republic to fly E190 for Midwest and Delta code sharing for a crew cost of $127 (E190 - CA 90/FO 37) vs. Delta crew costs of $231 (DC9 - CA 143/FO 88)


That's a savings of 45% and it is without benefits!
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Old 06-06-2009 | 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by MD80
Republic to fly E190 for Midwest while Delta code sharing for a crew cost of xxxx vs. Delta crew costs of xxxxx
You keep trying, but it isn't happening. RAH is carrying Midwest pax/code on the E190. They aren't carrying Delta code.
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Old 06-06-2009 | 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by MD80
Republic to fly E190 for Midwest and Delta code sharing for a crew cost of $127 (E190 - CA 90/FO 37) vs. Delta crew costs of $231 (DC9 - CA 143/FO 88)


That's a savings of 45% and it is without benefits!



Good luck DALPA.
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Old 06-06-2009 | 05:55 PM
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There are no Northwest or Delta codeshares with Midwest. You cannot book a flight on Midwest from Delta or Northwest. I tried several routes I know are to be flown by the E190 and several that are now flown by the E170s.

It's a bad enough situation without adding such inflammatory comments.
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