JCBA limits 89K to 36 Compass Airplanes - would be a another contract violation to exceed 36, although I expect this to be the next place to get another "press to test"

 

Of course you are correct. Fact is that if they want to fly them up to their max certificated weights they need to be done at mainline.

Some will say, "What is 3K lbs?" Well, it is the way scope has always been eroded. Little bits at a time. Plus this 3K makes that 175 a coast to coast jet. My bet is that they would try to fly it ATL-SNA if they could get enough of them.

 

I'm a 2000 hire and what you're saying is exactly correct. Just talk to any pilot based on the West coast. For SLC it's all the Montana flying, LAX it's Mexico and up and down the West coast. Now it's going to be transcons.

I've been beating this drum for a long time with my Reps, but none of us have gotten any traction. At the 2005 big pilot meet in ATL, I traveled from SLC to be the second pilot to ask a question of Lee and the MEC. It was about the 70 seat limit. Lee had twice before personally assured me that we would not allow anything over 70 seats, and in front of a crowd of 2000 pilots he once again made the same promise. Not long after that we caved on the 76 seat aircraft.

Where's the line in the sand? The only way we are going to have any effect on scope is to make it politically untenable for our union to do anything else but hold the line.

Please call your Reps. Make sure they know you by first name. And every time you here anything about Section 1, call them. I am thankful to have the FNWA pilots on board with this issue.

 

I do and I have, and will continue to.

I think that they have gotten to know a lot of people by first name here recently. I know a few guys that e-mail them weekly, if not daily.

 

Like has been mentioned by acl65 and others in the other thread, the issue isn't an extra 3000 lbs like some others have argued. The issue is letting even more scope go. So after they give away 3000 lbs, Delta asks for another 3000 lbs, well, what's another 3000 lbs? So after they give that away, etc etc etc. You have to draw the line somewhere, in both seats and in weight, because they don't ask for it in big chunks, they ask for it in steps. Delta knows that 3000 lbs isn't a big deal, or an extra 6 seats isn't a big deal, but it makes that request a year from now for another 3000 lbs/6 seats seem a lot more reasonable, and will make it much more likely that the Delta reps will cave.

Also, the regional people need to realize that airplanes at mainline are actually much better for their own progression within their respective regionals. If you have 2000 pilots at your airline, and you're the most junior on property, then in order to upgrade, you'd either need to add 2000 pilots at your airline or make 1000 people leave to the majors. That's half as much movement and extra frames as is required to outright expand your way into an upgrade. And that's not even bringing into consideration that those are 1000 extra mainline jobs, as opposed to regional jobs. It seems win-win to me.

 

Exactly. Look at what has happened since OH put the first RJ on property in 1993. It has been gradual. Look at the scope slide since 2000. 27%, then 32% then 42% then 52% then the percentage of departures went away. It was just to hard to look at.
Now we scope seats and jets. The next push will be by type. This cannot happen. If it does you can kiss everything below a 757 good bye. Those 195's can go up to 130 or so seats. I think this is a lot closer than people want to admit.

 

You have to keep in mind that the big gains in scope that allowed the E170/175 which should have been a mainline aircraft occurred either under threat of a Chapter 11 filing or actual chapter 11. Management is very aware of pilot sentiment and what they feel they can get away with. No one on the 4th floor believes they are going to get anything else out of DALPA with regards to scope. They may ask for the E190/195 in the next contract but it will be a throwaway item. You ask for it and try and trade if for something of value. You know you will never get it.
The only issue in the next contract will be can we roll scope back. It wont be about increases. Its always about who has the power. The company has had the power since 911. That is shifting back. If Obama gets reelected we will have more power then at any time in the last 20 years in the next contract.

 

Well, I want the 195 CS-110/130 here as well as the 175's. I hope we can roll back scope.
From what I can tell these 76 seat jets are not part of any new long term agreements, just short term ones, or existing ones like ASA. That means management knows that we will probably want them and get them in 2012 and does not want to be boxed in to a contract with a DCI carrier that they cannot get out of.

 

It appears the mods will be HALTED indefinitely.

 

I hope they kept the receipt from Embraer for the weight increase. Those things aren't cheap.

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