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Old 05-07-2009 | 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by shiftwork
5 flts. Departing May 10th returning May12th Priceline

1. LGA-FLL-LGA, US $207, NWA $318, NK $327, Delta $358, JBLue $428

2. DTW-FLL-DTW, NWA $258, CAL $258, A/A $258, NK $267

3. DTW-LAX-DTW, Delta $296, CAL $296, A/A $296, AirTran $316, NK $447

4. FLL-SJU-FLL, JBlue $201, NK$210, Delta $475, AirTran $475

5. FLL-ATL-FLL, US $230, Delta $257, Airtran $257, NK $260
Not sure entirely what your point was...that NK isn't always the cheapest? I'll give you that much. I guess the real measure of their effect would be to see what all those other carriers' fares were on those routes *before* NK entered those markets.
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Old 05-07-2009 | 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by shiftwork
International yes, cheaper cost and product.
Domestic not so cheaper.

NK fly's, maybe 1/4 Int. ops?

My point is that NK is not always the cheapest; although mgt. carry's on like they are and therefore it is alright to have less than "normal" customer service: 14.3 complaints per 100k compared to Southwest .25/100K.

I'm sure that NK's mgt. is looking into ways of improving cust. serv. other wise thee ol' fool me once shame of you, fool me twice shame on me might bite them: Probably not as Ben points out, "it's not for everyone...." but it must be for quit a few as I've heard 1st qtr. profits looked real good!

You are correct, you can compare prices all day, but I only spent about 3 minutes looking up some regular NK routes that they compete with other LLC's and Majors and posted the results for enjoyment purposes only

Here is to giving the customer what they want, regardless of what they want or get

Cheers!
I think NK's international ops are about 60-70% of their total operations.
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Old 05-07-2009 | 10:45 PM
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Spirit is cheaper than the legacy's but it's very close to other lccs. For example the price of the NY-FL run is very similar to Jetblue. I would rather take Jetblue. I think it's smart they've gotten in the Int market, they ought to expand a little more on the West coast.
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Old 05-07-2009 | 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by flyover
This guy is a CEO and can't even work his email. Thank god he is not flying an Airbus. So why do CEO's make so much more than us?
Because they write the checks
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Old 05-08-2009 | 05:56 AM
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Because they write the checks

Hell… these Neanderthals don’t write checks… they can’t be trusted with sharp instruments like pens in their hands… they collect large paychecks for making poor decisions. Big business… you gotta love it!
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Old 05-08-2009 | 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by bubi352
I thought we had it bad at Spirit. Coming from Europe, I heard everything you could possibly hear from RyanAir. Paying for your own training, uniform, crew being stacked up like meat in RyanAir apartments on overnights, not being paid the first 6 months on the job for the young newbies, flying regulary 99 hours a month... the list could go on. Some are hard to believe and this interesting documentary might put things in perspective.

YouTube - Ryanair Caught Napping
Hey... there are cabin crew making more money than some F/Os in the US. Better yet... there are many F/Os making more money than captain at some US carriers flying the same equipment. 900 hours a year verus 1,000 a year. Not bad. Some guys work 9 months... two 30 day periods off and two additional weeks off too.

Cabin crew stacked up during overnights? They are home every night. No layovers. What's the difference between crash pads in the US and Europe? None. Infact I've seen many crash pads in the US that should be condemned versus many I've seen in Europe.

Pay to play? its all over the world, and has been for over 20 years.
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Old 05-08-2009 | 08:35 AM
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I say rock on Ben... He did a good job of getting the overall mission across in the interview. Now how about a new, better contract for the crew???
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Old 05-08-2009 | 09:59 AM
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Default It's a case of poor marketing

I don't think the legacy carriers have done a very good job of highlighting the considerable differences between absolute cut rate fares - and hence, lousy service and amenities, and their higher quality product. Sure, one can site an astronomical fare cost difference in some markets, but other than DOT on time records, bag losses and of course safety, does any airline effectively advertise the difference in leg room, crew experience, depot-level maintenance, and customer service philosophy?
At the "regional" I've worked at for the last 22 years, not once have I been called on the carpet for "doing the right thing" for my passengers. In addition to being the last word from a safety standpoint, I consider myself the last word in customer service - should things get out of the ordinary.
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Old 05-08-2009 | 04:21 PM
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I'm amazed that all of you under paid over worked pilots can't see that if not for cheap tickets most people wouldn't fly. Then there would'nt be any jobs for about half of you too complain about.
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Old 05-08-2009 | 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by sandy69
I'm amazed that all of you under paid over worked pilots can't see that if not for cheap tickets most people wouldn't fly. Then there would'nt be any jobs for about half of you too complain about.
NOOOO uuuuuu Diiii DNTTT
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