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Wouldn't you say that living where you wish is a basic element to ones happiness? And if one is willing to sell of one part of his life what about the rest?

No. For me a basic part of happiness is knowing my wife and kid are safe and provided for. The other part is knowing i'm doing the job i want to - in my case AF. If I'm stationed in the USA or overseas on a remote or accompanied - I could care less.

-laff

"a floating dust bunny" heh heh heh lmao

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Originally Posted by SkyHigh

Some enjoy a disconnected life floating across the globe like a dust bunny. I have no problem with that concept. I am sure that even TP would have to admit that he didn't start out with the plan of having to travel overseas in order to work. Most everyone here had the dream of being a 777 Captain on American soil.

To me it is a polluted version of the dream that really doesnt hit the mark. Giving up life in ones homeland is yet another way to lay an offering on the alter of aviation. We can dress up the idea of life overseas with statements like "enjoying other cultures" and "seeing foreign lands" however it seems to me that giving up ones country is a huge sacrifice. What if you were asked to change your religion in order to work for a certain company or to give up your pets?

In the end what will you come back to? you haven't built equity in anything that is truly lasting and meaningful like home, friends, family, seniority in a viable company and most importantly real estate.

Again I am only trying to understand,

SkyHigh

Hi sky where de hell do u get those kinda remarks from lol:D oh boyo boy, i think you are doing this purposly lol, u just want attention, mayby because i`m a newbee yankee i havn`t got this "land of the free " stuff down yet but i can tell you that every time i go back to Trinidad (GO SOCA WARRIORS) i realise how much i miss it.:) blue sky`s, green mountains, steel band music, carnival, aquamarine sea`s, rum punches at maracas bay. sigh.:)

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Originally Posted by Packer Backer

Re-read my post. I said it is easier, not easy. Imagine this, if you can, a pilot earning 200k a year is spending much more than a pilot making 30k. How easy is it for a pilot to go from a job earning 30k to another job (outside of aviation) earning 30k? I would imagine that it is a lot easier than finding another 200k job. Only when we start acting like a true union and cracking some scab sculls and shutting down companies will we regain what we have lost.

Are you speaking of guys that have crossed picket lines...I'm not aware of any in many moons...

OR, are you talking about guys that are flying for teacher salary wages w/ no union representation and calling them scabs?

Teachers get weekends and holidays off--not to mention 4 mos in the summer.

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Originally Posted by CargoBob

Right on man !!! Who really is the scab these days?

SkyHigh

New category for posters

Based on the number of Skyhigh's posts there should be a new category after "gets weekends off" called "has 6 weeks of vacation and drops two trips a month." :p

Skyhigh might come off as negative but he's pretty much on target with his advice. I don't think a lot of people just want to hear it but I've seen what he's talking about.

Take care---Brown Dog

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Originally Posted by Brown Dog

Based on the number of Skyhigh's posts there should be a new category after "gets weekends off" called "has 6 weeks of vacation and drops two trips a month." :p

Rather, "Has weekends off- spends them at computer.":D

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Originally Posted by SkyHigh

Right on man !!! Who really is the scab these days?
SkyHigh

Nothing has Changed about the definition of a SCAB.

A Scab is one who crosses a picket line to take the strikers job..usually at a much lower wage.

In the pilot profession, there are some who are "independant contractors" who don't tow the Union party line during negiotiations. They continue to give the company 150% by flying Extra, Selling back Vacation while the union is in contentious negotiations.........even when MGT is balking at the table.

These guys can be called many things........One Ways, Flight Wh*r*s, Buddy F##ks.......but they are not SCABS..........unless they cross the Picket line.

So im sitting here as a 19 year old reading all this, WANTING to be a pilot. It sounds like after I get out of the service, if I want to make any money being a pilot, I need to go overseas. I'm just curious as to why that is? Are there no Low cost airlines like Southwest over there, so they all still pay high wages or wat? It sounds like what is going to happen to me, is all the airlines are sooner or later going to be like Southwest (low cost everything). Right now people are loosing there jobs, and taking what they can get at other airlines (jet blue, southwest ect.) When every one is fighting just to HAVE a job, no one is going to be willing to put it on hold and demand for better pay. So ne ways once all the airlines conform to the new way of running things, pilots will all have stable jobs and that is when the unions will finally be able to kick in. If my guess on what is going to happen is correct, i hope it happens in the next 6 years while I am in the service training.

chicken and egg!!

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Originally Posted by cwthomas

lol don`t worry, there will always be obstacles but aviation will also always be here, in the states its just that at this point in time there is plenty "supply" and not enough "demand" here is the type of obstacle you will have to overcome, --you remember the chicken and egg deal--well i got to 60 FAA decrees(notice the pompous type word:D ) no more airline flying for u buddy boy, --grumble mumble, lol anyway toodle on down to Dallas, pay 16,500 for a Learjet 60 type, at the end of which = much hoopla about now you can take command of a LR60 and mosy off into the sunset, --yeah rite--soo put my resume up on a lot of websites and settle in to wait for the tirade of requests for your hero, who by the way has 20,000+ turbo-jet TT well for one month --nada then a few calls that go like this 'I see you have a LR60 type"---yep--"great and how many hours do u have on it"--ahh like O:eek: ---MORAL= U need a job to get the hours, BUT you need the hours to GET the job?????

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Originally Posted by Freightpuppy

I agree. It's a long road and has a lot to do with who you know, luck and timing but it was worth it for me. I can't imagine having to go to work M-F 9-5 for the next 30+ years. I think I would want to shoot myself in the head.

I also agree you need to have a back up.

Yeah im glad that i chose to go to work M-S from 5-9 for 30+ instead. oh wait sometimes i gota get up at 3:30-4 to make my show times.