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Angel 05-23-2009 06:02 AM

jetBlue at jobfair
 

Originally Posted by TurboCheez (Post 615835)
I thought JetBlue had several pilots on furlough. Yesterday I was told by a JetBlue executive they are accepting resumes at a pilot job fair. Any JB pilots know anything about that?

Yeah, can any Jetblue pilot here give me some more info regarding the jobfair at DFW? why is jetblue listed as a potential company, and their website says that there are not hiring right now?:confused:

thank you...

alvrb211 05-23-2009 06:13 AM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 615847)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but B6 can do more than that. They can remove the pilot from the property by not renewing his/her contract - then start training a RAH guy or any other guy.

Carl

They dropped the ball when "thousands" of B6 employees were celebrating their 5 year anniversary. :rolleyes:
For some reason, they kept them on.


JJ

king10pin02 05-23-2009 06:53 AM


Originally Posted by Rightseat Ballast (Post 615832)
J

RAH has not set a payrate for the E190 yet. How do you know that it will be less than Jet Blue? In all likelihood, it will be lower than Jet Blue, but not by a margin that will make Jet Blue management run to have RAH fly E190's for them.

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sadly, we do have a pay rate for the 190, its the same as the 175 as long as they leave them with 99 seats, i know the article says 100 seats but im sure they will only have 99. So we are stuck until our new contract is finished. (atleast a year away)

alvrb211 05-23-2009 07:55 AM


Originally Posted by Rightseat Ballast (Post 615832)
Jet Blue DOES hire RAH pilots

Jetblue hires, trains and certifies "former" RAH guys. That's not quite the same as sending their passengers TO RAH.

JJ

CRFguy 05-23-2009 09:57 AM


Originally Posted by Angel (Post 615850)
Yeah, can any Jetblue pilot here give me some more info regarding the jobfair at DFW? why is jetblue listed as a potential company, and their website says that there are not hiring right now?:confused:

thank you...

to rope in more boneheads with SJS, then they give a speech about values and how the 'direct relationship' is superior to seal the deal. And then, wham-o..... another new hire who has no problem working for regional wages.

LuvJockey 05-23-2009 05:35 PM

Actually, Republic's pay scale for the 190 tops out higher than JetBlue's pay scale. Why would JetBlue farm out their flying to more expensive regional pilots?

If you're talking FO scale only, then you have a point. Captain pay rates at JetBlue and Republic are very similar (within 15%, and Republic is apparently in contract negotiations.)

I don't see how anybody (with the top of their pay scale at $110) can look down at another carrier (with a pay scale at $119) and call their pilots inexperienced and inferior. If pay scale equated to inferior pilots...well, you know.

Eric Stratton 05-23-2009 07:43 PM


Originally Posted by ERJ135 (Post 615729)
I'm curious as to what jetblue pilots think of this RAH agreement to fly the E190's. I'd be a little nervous that Jetblue would be next. E190's flown for even less pay. Can't be good be an E190 operator. I still think your managment cares more about their quality of product then getting the cheapest deal. However, if midwest or AMR, UAL, managers ever found their way over there. Might not be good. Has their been any talk of getting a union going again. If nothing else it should show the importance of a CBA to secure an airtight scope clause. Just something to think about.

Are you serious with that statement. Their pilot pay was/is all about being the cheapest. :rolleyes:

buffmike80 05-23-2009 09:20 PM

clear it all up
 
1. Jetblue does not have a single pilot on furlough
2. Jetblue is very protective of its brand and it is unlikely that it would risk hurting it by contracting out flying. (express jet did it for a few months but it was payed for by Embraer due to mx with the 190's)
3. Our pay rates are coming up on the 190, anywhere from 20-35%, it is retro to June 1st when they get all the details figured out.
4. yes our pay currently tops out at 110 vs 119 for RAH, however we do get time and a half for everything over 70 hours.
5. Jetblue Pilots no longer have "5 Year" contract, you do not have to worry about being let go after 5 years.
6. We have run several new hire classes this past couple of months, they were people who already had applications on file with B6. I am sure after they move through those people they will open up the application processes again on the website.
7. As far as RAH flying 190's for pennies, I would hope that not a single RAH pilot would bid that flying, that way when they get assigned it they can say in good form that they were forced to do it.

Bucking Bar 05-23-2009 09:32 PM


Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan (Post 615806)
Be serious. Jetblue actually has minimum hiring requirements. Republic hires anyone with a pulse who can recognize an RJ on the ramp 2 out of 3 times.

Given the ratio of flying, 2 out of 3 for RJ recognition is just about a perfect score.

alvrb211 05-24-2009 06:08 AM


Originally Posted by buffmike80 (Post 616221)
1. Jetblue does not have a single pilot on furlough

Big Deal!
Many airlines don't. Yet, most have better contracts!


Originally Posted by buffmike80 (Post 616221)
2. Jetblue is very protective of its brand and it is unlikely that it would risk hurting it by contracting out flying. (express jet did it for a few months but it was payed for by Embraer due to mx with the 190's)

So far.........


Originally Posted by buffmike80 (Post 616221)
3. Our pay rates are coming up on the 190, anywhere from 20-35%, it is retro to June 1st when they get all the details figured out.

After making you wait such a long, long, long time, they're gonna make up for that by giving you a retro check backdated to "NEXT" month? :rolleyes: And, after months of waiting, you "STILL" haven't been advised of the new rates.
Anywhere from 20-35%? So, you're expecting around 20.5% then huh?
So, months of stalling on improvements and inadequate retro is acceptable huh?


Originally Posted by buffmike80 (Post 616221)
4. yes our pay currently tops out at 110 vs 119 for RAH, however we do get time and a half for everything over 70 hours.

How thoroughly embarrassing!!
RA effin H "initial" base rates are higher than B6's "latest" rates which have already been revised and are over 3 years in the making. And you say, "However, we do get time and a half "? You're kidding right?
You think that's a good deal?


Originally Posted by buffmike80 (Post 616221)
5. Jetblue Pilots no longer have "5 Year" contract, you do not have to worry about being let go after 5 years.

Under an "At will" agreement, they can let you go ANYTIME!
So, you don't have to worry about the 5 year mark, you have to worry about ANYTIME!


Originally Posted by buffmike80 (Post 616221)
6. We have run several new hire classes this past couple of months, they were people who already had applications on file with B6. I am sure after they move through those people they will open up the application processes again on the website.

Several???????

Maybe several "classes", but NOT several "PILOT" classes!


Originally Posted by buffmike80 (Post 616221)
7. As far as RAH flying 190's for pennies, I would hope that not a single RAH pilot would bid that flying, that way when they get assigned it they can say in good form that they were forced to do it.

Pennies more than B6 you mean??
"Forced" to do it"?????



I've said it before, You can't polish a turd!
Yet, here you go again trying to do just that.

Mike, you must NEVER, NEVER, try to negotiate "ANYTHING" for your pilot group.
And, stay away from used car salesmen. They'll tear you a new one with their eyes shut!



JJ


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