UAL Ordering 150 Airplanes?
06-06-2009 | 06:35 AM
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No they did not place an order. However, to believe that this is the "first" time the company and the manufacturers are entering into talks would be extremely naive. Much like the auto industry, the airframe manufacturers are in search of orders. This buying in the trough and taking delivery in the peak is a good strategy and hopefully we will see the airplanes on the ramp at some point.
At this point in time I don't think there are any other major US carriers with bids on 150 airplane orders? Certainly not CAL. This will hopefully be a all encompassing change for UAL and perhaps set some new standards for mainline flying in the future with a narrowbody refreshment coming afterwards.
Perhaps this is my misconstrued concept, but at UAL we have had some large sine curves in the past few years of bad and good news. In fact the dips probably out pace the peaks. Why is it impossible to enjoy the moment and perhaps think positively about our future for 5 minutes without be cast upon by those that think all good news is wrapped in bad.
I would think anyone that is at CAL could appreciate a turnaround. Look at the history of CAL and there are some signifcant close calls with extinction. The right leadership was able to correct what was one of the worse carriers in existence. Good for you guys climbing out of the grave. Why not allow someone else to do the same?
L
At this point in time I don't think there are any other major US carriers with bids on 150 airplane orders? Certainly not CAL. This will hopefully be a all encompassing change for UAL and perhaps set some new standards for mainline flying in the future with a narrowbody refreshment coming afterwards.
Perhaps this is my misconstrued concept, but at UAL we have had some large sine curves in the past few years of bad and good news. In fact the dips probably out pace the peaks. Why is it impossible to enjoy the moment and perhaps think positively about our future for 5 minutes without be cast upon by those that think all good news is wrapped in bad.
I would think anyone that is at CAL could appreciate a turnaround. Look at the history of CAL and there are some signifcant close calls with extinction. The right leadership was able to correct what was one of the worse carriers in existence. Good for you guys climbing out of the grave. Why not allow someone else to do the same?
L
Joe
06-06-2009 | 07:39 AM
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No they did not place an order. However, to believe that this is the "first" time the company and the manufacturers are entering into talks would be extremely naive. Much like the auto industry, the airframe manufacturers are in search of orders. This buying in the trough and taking delivery in the peak is a good strategy and hopefully we will see the airplanes on the ramp at some point.
At this point in time I don't think there are any other major US carriers with bids on 150 airplane orders? Certainly not CAL. This will hopefully be a all encompassing change for UAL and perhaps set some new standards for mainline flying in the future with a narrowbody refreshment coming afterwards.
Perhaps this is my misconstrued concept, but at UAL we have had some large sine curves in the past few years of bad and good news. In fact the dips probably out pace the peaks. Why is it impossible to enjoy the moment and perhaps think positively about our future for 5 minutes without be cast upon by those that think all good news is wrapped in bad.
I would think anyone that is at CAL could appreciate a turnaround. Look at the history of CAL and there are some signifcant close calls with extinction. The right leadership was able to correct what was one of the worse carriers in existence. Good for you guys climbing out of the grave. Why not allow someone else to do the same?
L
At this point in time I don't think there are any other major US carriers with bids on 150 airplane orders? Certainly not CAL. This will hopefully be a all encompassing change for UAL and perhaps set some new standards for mainline flying in the future with a narrowbody refreshment coming afterwards.
Perhaps this is my misconstrued concept, but at UAL we have had some large sine curves in the past few years of bad and good news. In fact the dips probably out pace the peaks. Why is it impossible to enjoy the moment and perhaps think positively about our future for 5 minutes without be cast upon by those that think all good news is wrapped in bad.
I would think anyone that is at CAL could appreciate a turnaround. Look at the history of CAL and there are some signifcant close calls with extinction. The right leadership was able to correct what was one of the worse carriers in existence. Good for you guys climbing out of the grave. Why not allow someone else to do the same?
L
And that is why they must join the STAR alliance or extinction may be a very REAL possibility. They were going to have to join an alliance somewhere....they decided on STAR and United.....period.
06-06-2009 | 08:35 AM
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No they did not place an order. However, to believe that this is the "first" time the company and the manufacturers are entering into talks would be extremely naive. Much like the auto industry, the airframe manufacturers are in search of orders. This buying in the trough and taking delivery in the peak is a good strategy and hopefully we will see the airplanes on the ramp at some point.
At this point in time I don't think there are any other major US carriers with bids on 150 airplane orders? Certainly not CAL. This will hopefully be a all encompassing change for UAL and perhaps set some new standards for mainline flying in the future with a narrowbody refreshment coming afterwards.
Perhaps this is my misconstrued concept, but at UAL we have had some large sine curves in the past few years of bad and good news. In fact the dips probably out pace the peaks. Why is it impossible to enjoy the moment and perhaps think positively about our future for 5 minutes without be cast upon by those that think all good news is wrapped in bad.
I would think anyone that is at CAL could appreciate a turnaround. Look at the history of CAL and there are some signifcant close calls with extinction. The right leadership was able to correct what was one of the worse carriers in existence. Good for you guys climbing out of the grave. Why not allow someone else to do the same?
L
At this point in time I don't think there are any other major US carriers with bids on 150 airplane orders? Certainly not CAL. This will hopefully be a all encompassing change for UAL and perhaps set some new standards for mainline flying in the future with a narrowbody refreshment coming afterwards.
Perhaps this is my misconstrued concept, but at UAL we have had some large sine curves in the past few years of bad and good news. In fact the dips probably out pace the peaks. Why is it impossible to enjoy the moment and perhaps think positively about our future for 5 minutes without be cast upon by those that think all good news is wrapped in bad.
I would think anyone that is at CAL could appreciate a turnaround. Look at the history of CAL and there are some signifcant close calls with extinction. The right leadership was able to correct what was one of the worse carriers in existence. Good for you guys climbing out of the grave. Why not allow someone else to do the same?
L
I understand your points in the wake of some "positive/good news" on the UAL campus, I'm sure this is some welcomed news to the pilot group over your way.
In reading on this forum, and some other posting sources, some thoughts have brought up the idea "Can UAL secure financing on such a bold order during the present state"??.....or "Is this a ploy to come to the pilot group to ask for further 'cuts' in using these orders as a negociation carrot in contract developments"? Who knows the real answers to these question, but they could honestly be valid questions/concerns to keep in mind as the pie in the sky is relished.
Your commnet in regard to aircraft orders..."Is there any other Major Carrier with bids out on 150 aircraft"?? Good point, but as others on this forum are quick to point out, orders mean NOTHING. You can order all day long, but until the call of V1, rotate with UAL painted on the side means nada. Your are CORRECT in saying CAL does NOT have 150 on order, but I can sure as certain tell you CAL HAS been taking delivery of their NG's....their "V1, Rotate" smell test has passed too
The deliveries have replaced some of the older platforms, no doubt there (Not dramatically increasing over all fleet size). These deliveries have been coming steadyso for 36+ months and going. We are also getting more 777's to be delivered later this year, and into next year as well.....In the end, a company can ORDER all you want....just show me the deliveries. bringing to fruition the full equation.Agreed.....your company's success is tied largely to the leadership. When Gorden and his team arrived years back, CAL was in horrible shape bar none!!!
Can UAL, or any other carrier do so with the proper leadership, I DONT see why not. Hanging one's hat on 150 aircraft orders will right UAL's direction, I see that as being hard to believe.....why put the cart infront of the horse??? I dont know too many people that would be comfy with Glenn at the helm trying to right the ship. If UAL is going to make the turn around like some carriers have done in the past.....ordering aircraft with a SOUND plan can very well be the start UAL needs, but 'you' BEST look beyond Glenn running the show.Best of luck and keep the faith.
SC
06-06-2009 | 08:42 AM
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[quote=contrail67;623881]And that is why they must join the STAR alliance or extinction may be a very REAL possibility. They were going to have to join an alliance somewhere....they decided on STAR and United.....period.[/quote]
Wow...beyond narrow minded....there is A LOT more to the Star than UAL
Wow...beyond narrow minded....there is A LOT more to the Star than UAL
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