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iceman49 07-06-2009 05:22 AM

"The trend I am seeing here is that ex-NW had to deal with management that would cancel your vacations (fixed in last contract) and find all the holes they could in the contract to use against pilots, so we learned to defend our contract tooth and nail (ask your FedEx buddies about holes in the contract). Ex-DL haven't had to deal with that ... YET. Maybe you will understand being anal about contract enforcement and contract language after they screw you a few times. A few of the major culprits are still here post-merger in key positions. I hope you don't have to experience their contract "interpretations" the way we did at NW"

With NW you saw the knife coming, at other companies...they smile and get you in the back. Personally I would rather see the knife coming.

1234 07-06-2009 10:38 AM


Originally Posted by iceman49 (Post 640010)
The FOM page 1.5.6, under currency of revisions.

That doesn't say anything about revisions being allowed to be completed "during flight".

johnso29 07-06-2009 02:27 PM


Originally Posted by 1234 (Post 639971)
Where exactly is this policy, because I have never read it in the FOM?


Originally Posted by iceman49 (Post 640010)
The FOM page 1.5.6, under currency of revisions.


Originally Posted by 1234 (Post 640139)
That doesn't say anything about revisions being allowed to be completed "during flight".

More importantly, where does it say I can't do Jepp Revisions while in flight?

Nosmo King 07-06-2009 03:55 PM


Originally Posted by 1234
Where exactly is this policy, because I have never read it in the FOM?

Originally Posted by iceman49
The FOM page 1.5.6, under currency of revisions.

Originally Posted by 1234
That doesn't say anything about revisions being allowed to be completed "during flight".

Originally Posted by johnso29
More importantly, where does it say I can't do Jepp Revisions while in flight?
JOHNSO29 is correct. There used to be a specific provision in the FOM that prohibited Jep revisions while in flight. That restriction was removed and replaced by the current language in the second paragraph on 9.1.14

Anyone thats been here for more than 10 years probably remembers when that changed.

1234 07-06-2009 04:16 PM

Good to know and thanks for the references. I could have sworn that it specifically stated you couldn't.

Thanks again for the reference.

acl65pilot 07-07-2009 04:34 AM

Sailing is correct. I was referring to the time involved. DAL pays for the Russian and French visas. They pay for the renewal of the passports etc.
They do not pay for your time, and that is allowed by the PWA. It is a cost of doing business I guess.

You also have your continuing Qual approved by the PWA. It has run 400+ minutes in years past as well. They pay for it is minimal, but once again, that is established in the PWA.

I personally think that in 2012 we should make it real easy. 5:15 for any day you show for work. That means 15:45 for your requal sim, 5:15 if you show up and scheduling cancels your rotation, not this 2:00 suit up pay, 5:15 for every day you sit reserve etc.
Some will argue this, but it is just the cost of doing business.

hockeypilot44 07-07-2009 06:11 AM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 640605)
Sailing is correct. I was referring to the time involved. DAL pays for the Russian and French visas. They pay for the renewal of the passports etc.
They do not pay for your time, and that is allowed by the PWA. It is a cost of doing business I guess.

You also have your continuing Qual approved by the PWA. It has run 400+ minutes in years past as well. They pay for it is minimal, but once again, that is established in the PWA.

I personally think that in 2012 we should make it real easy. 5:15 for any day you show for work. That means 15:45 for your requal sim, 5:15 if you show up and scheduling cancels your rotation, not this 2:00 suit up pay, 5:15 for every day you sit reserve etc.
Some will argue this, but it is just the cost of doing business.

I could live with that. We probably wouldn't even need any trip regs. Keep the duty regs for the illegal overnights.

filejw 07-07-2009 12:52 PM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 639693)
It really is not that big of a deal. This makes us sound quite juvenile.

You haven't figured out who you work for now. These people have a way of making 10 minutes turn into 10 hours.


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