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07-13-2009, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by BZNpilot248

I'd say United 232 is an excellent example of when CRM did work - they brought a third guy up to work the throttles and help control the airplane - people still died but the situation turned out pretty good considering how dire their circumstances were.

Already had that one!!!

07-13-2009, 07:57 AM

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I'm sorry I couldn't resist..

exactly how much of their training does not take place on the ground?

Not sure about Amtrak, but if he worked for CTA, I'd say a lot!

I'm sorry, being from Chicago, I couldn't resist.

07-13-2009, 08:08 AM

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The reason there are few examples of CRM when things go really bad, is CRM will usually prevent events getting to the tipping point of no recovery. Between CRM and note complying with hijackers these are the two biggest changes in prevent very bad things. (note: GPS is a close 3rd)

07-13-2009, 10:19 AM

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I went the train route as well when I got furloughed from American. It was fun, and there are a lot of similarities between the railroads and aviation. Have fun. I know that's a tough school.

07-13-2009, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Short Bus Drive

Just have to do a safety presentation, so I decided to do it on CRM. Being that the only thing I know is aviation, I am going to tie it in with train operations.

Maybe you could use an example from a GPWS warning where it says, "TRAIN, TRAIN".

07-13-2009, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by pilotgolfer

Maybe you could use an example from a GPWS warning where it says, "TRAIN, TRAIN".

"DON"T THINK, DON"T THINK!"

07-13-2009, 01:19 PM

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Maybe you could use an example from a GPWS warning where it says, "TRAIN, TRAIN".

That made my day!

07-13-2009, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by elcid88

I went the train route as well when I got furloughed from American. It was fun, and there are a lot of similarities between the railroads and aviation. Have fun. I know that's a tough school.

Freight or pax? It IS tough. 12 weeks, and almost a quiz/test DAILY!!!
Why did you leave? Just curious.

07-13-2009, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Short Bus Drive

Just have to do a safety presentation, so I decided to do it on CRM. Being that the only thing I know is aviation, I am going to tie it in with train operations.

There are many similarities! We both offer safe, reliable on-time transportation to the public. And fatigue is one HUGE issue at railroads. I spoke with a few train engineers, and after hearing their schedules, I couldn't believe it. If you think our job is tough, try doing continuous 8-hr train shifts, with short rest periods, around the clock.

Railroads also set the standard in transport; why do you think we're under the Railway Labor Act? They started first. Lots of similarities.