Radical Idea Pilot Pay looking for input
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I agree. Also, the greater responsibility involved in carrying more passengers greater distances is more reason why, "the bigger the plane, the bigger the pay". Our pay should start at scheduled sign in.
Experience wouldn't work because 1000 hours of straight and level airline flying does not even remote equate to 1000 hours of military fighter flying.
Experience wouldn't work because 1000 hours of straight and level airline flying does not even remote equate to 1000 hours of military fighter flying.
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I think many need to take a realistic look at the passenger side of the industry and realize that this is the new normal. I don't mean this as a slam on anyone's career, just a realistic observation of what the industry is compared to what it used to be.
The passenger airline business model of years past could support a labor force with good wages, benefits and QOL. That isn't the case anymore. There is way too much competition and not enough people willing to pay realistic fares.
The public doesn't want to spend $5 or $10 on a boxed lunch, and is even more upset with spending money to check in their bags. The last thing anyone wants is more nickel and diming by the airlines.
The passenger airline business model of years past could support a labor force with good wages, benefits and QOL. That isn't the case anymore. There is way too much competition and not enough people willing to pay realistic fares.
Each pilot would get paid base off of a ticket surcharge. Lets say $2 per passenger per leg for First Officers and $3 per leg for Captains. We could change the dollar about to whatever we and the company deem is fair. Five dollars per pax per leg for pilot wages.
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You can have the job wright up the proposal. Some people have ideas and some people wright up proposals they don't always work hand in hand.
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What determines expirience?
Years flying?
How about a list that gets you paid based on hours
250 hrs for commericial license
250 - 3000 Min pay $25/hour then $.03/ hour flown which ever is greater
(3000 hrs*.03= $90/hour)
3000-5000 Min pay $90/hr then $.025/hr flown which ever is greater
(5000 hrs *.025= $125/hr)
5000-10000 Min pay $125/hr then $.02/hr flown which ever is greater
(10000 hrs*.02= $200/hr)
10000-20000 Min pay $200/hr then $.013/hr flown which ever is greater
(20000 hrs *.013=$260/hr)
You top out at $260.
Need to have 2000 hrs to be a captain and get a 10% bump
Instead of pay raises based on years we get cost of living bumps.
Certain sized planes require certain levels of expirience (ex: 7000 hrs to FO a B-777 and so on)
This levels the playing field amongst the airlines. If you are a passenger you might pay to fly the airline with the expirience
These numbers are arbitrary but an example, pick your own numbers.
The guy who gave me my ATP checkride had over 66,000 hours logged and a picture of himself dropping a bomb on the battleship Yamato.
Yes that is expirience.
If you are a military guy you bring your time. Military guys get a little early compensation based on limited training costs (out of pocket), years of better pay on the way up. Yes heavy guys get more time than fighters guys. It might create more flow between airframes.
You sacrafice a little to live the dream of flying a fighter.
Lets see I would make 5232 * .02 = 104.64/hr
I have 17 years flying and make $60 per hour. That would be a $45/hr raise!!!. Yes I would like to get paid for expirience
Just a thought Boogie
Years flying?
How about a list that gets you paid based on hours
250 hrs for commericial license
250 - 3000 Min pay $25/hour then $.03/ hour flown which ever is greater
(3000 hrs*.03= $90/hour)
3000-5000 Min pay $90/hr then $.025/hr flown which ever is greater
(5000 hrs *.025= $125/hr)
5000-10000 Min pay $125/hr then $.02/hr flown which ever is greater
(10000 hrs*.02= $200/hr)
10000-20000 Min pay $200/hr then $.013/hr flown which ever is greater
(20000 hrs *.013=$260/hr)
You top out at $260.
Need to have 2000 hrs to be a captain and get a 10% bump
Instead of pay raises based on years we get cost of living bumps.
Certain sized planes require certain levels of expirience (ex: 7000 hrs to FO a B-777 and so on)
This levels the playing field amongst the airlines. If you are a passenger you might pay to fly the airline with the expirience
These numbers are arbitrary but an example, pick your own numbers.
The guy who gave me my ATP checkride had over 66,000 hours logged and a picture of himself dropping a bomb on the battleship Yamato.
Yes that is expirience.
If you are a military guy you bring your time. Military guys get a little early compensation based on limited training costs (out of pocket), years of better pay on the way up. Yes heavy guys get more time than fighters guys. It might create more flow between airframes.
You sacrafice a little to live the dream of flying a fighter.
Lets see I would make 5232 * .02 = 104.64/hr
I have 17 years flying and make $60 per hour. That would be a $45/hr raise!!!. Yes I would like to get paid for expirience
Just a thought Boogie
Last edited by Boogie Nights; 08-08-2009 at 05:56 AM.
#27
I agree you should get paid more, but why should an airline hire a 17yr pilot when they can hire a 5yr pilot with half the experience (and half the cost under your rules) to do the job?
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Boogie Nights
I like that you are adding to this thread. Good Job. Your idea could really level the playing field for pilots. Thanks for thinking about solving the problems of our industry we need more people like you.
I like that you are adding to this thread. Good Job. Your idea could really level the playing field for pilots. Thanks for thinking about solving the problems of our industry we need more people like you.
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