F9 rumor control
08-18-2009, 01:54 PM
#101
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Originally Posted by MD80
Keep it simple... use date of hire.
Why shouldn't a 10 yr Captain at Republic be flying a A320 just like a 10 yr Captain at Frontier?
Why shouldn't a 10 yr Captain at Republic be flying a A320 just like a 10 yr Captain at Frontier?
08-18-2009, 02:01 PM
#102
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Originally Posted by FAULTPUSH
Because they were hired to fly something else. That's not to say that they wouldn't be great at it, but it all goes back to career expectation.
Was a Frontier pilots expection to be unemployed? Sounded that way to me until Republic stepped in.
You are asking Republic pilots to respect your years at Frontier. You should respect the senior Captains at Republic.
Why is a 5 yr Captain at Frontier better than a 10 yr Captain at Republic?
08-18-2009, 02:34 PM
#104
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Looks like Seaburys is going to help reorganize Frontier like they did to Midwest and NWA...
Section 3.03 . Financial Advisors and Brokers. Except for Seabury Securities LLC and/or its Affiliates (“ Seabury ”), or as otherwise set forth on Schedule 3.03(a) hereto, no Person has acted, directly or indirectly, as a broker, finder or financial advisor of any of the Companies in connection with the Transaction Documents or the transactions contemplated thereby, and except for Seabury and any Person listed on Schedule 3.03(a), no Person acting for or on behalf of any of the Companies is entitled to receive any broker’s, finder’s or similar fee or commission in respect thereof based in any way on any agreement, arrangement or understanding made by or on behalf of any of the Companies; provided that “financial advisors” shall not include any tax, accounting or other similar providers of financial services to the Companies listed on Schedule 3.03(b). True and correct copies of the Company’s agreement with Seabury and all agreements between any of the Companies, on the one hand, and each Person listed on Schedule 3.03(a) (or any of their respective Affiliates), on the other, have been delivered to the Investor.
Section 3.03 . Financial Advisors and Brokers. Except for Seabury Securities LLC and/or its Affiliates (“ Seabury ”), or as otherwise set forth on Schedule 3.03(a) hereto, no Person has acted, directly or indirectly, as a broker, finder or financial advisor of any of the Companies in connection with the Transaction Documents or the transactions contemplated thereby, and except for Seabury and any Person listed on Schedule 3.03(a), no Person acting for or on behalf of any of the Companies is entitled to receive any broker’s, finder’s or similar fee or commission in respect thereof based in any way on any agreement, arrangement or understanding made by or on behalf of any of the Companies; provided that “financial advisors” shall not include any tax, accounting or other similar providers of financial services to the Companies listed on Schedule 3.03(b). True and correct copies of the Company’s agreement with Seabury and all agreements between any of the Companies, on the one hand, and each Person listed on Schedule 3.03(a) (or any of their respective Affiliates), on the other, have been delivered to the Investor.
08-18-2009, 02:50 PM
#106
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Originally Posted by ScaryKite
How many pilots does it take to change a light bulb?......
answer: NONE!!!! They'll just sit in the dark and Bi**h about it.
answer: NONE!!!! They'll just sit in the dark and Bi**h about it.
Actually, it takes 1 pilot. 1 pilot to hold it while the rest of the world revolves around him/her.
08-18-2009, 05:47 PM
#107
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Originally Posted by MD80
Looks like Seaburys is going to help reorganize Frontier like they did to Midwest and NWA...
Section 3.03 . Financial Advisors and Brokers. Except for Seabury Securities LLC and/or its Affiliates (“ Seabury ”), or as otherwise set forth on Schedule 3.03(a) hereto, no Person has acted, directly or indirectly, as a broker, finder or financial advisor of any of the Companies in connection with the Transaction Documents or the transactions contemplated thereby, and except for Seabury and any Person listed on Schedule 3.03(a), no Person acting for or on behalf of any of the Companies is entitled to receive any broker’s, finder’s or similar fee or commission in respect thereof based in any way on any agreement, arrangement or understanding made by or on behalf of any of the Companies; provided that “financial advisors” shall not include any tax, accounting or other similar providers of financial services to the Companies listed on Schedule 3.03(b). True and correct copies of the Company’s agreement with Seabury and all agreements between any of the Companies, on the one hand, and each Person listed on Schedule 3.03(a) (or any of their respective Affiliates), on the other, have been delivered to the Investor.
Section 3.03 . Financial Advisors and Brokers. Except for Seabury Securities LLC and/or its Affiliates (“ Seabury ”), or as otherwise set forth on Schedule 3.03(a) hereto, no Person has acted, directly or indirectly, as a broker, finder or financial advisor of any of the Companies in connection with the Transaction Documents or the transactions contemplated thereby, and except for Seabury and any Person listed on Schedule 3.03(a), no Person acting for or on behalf of any of the Companies is entitled to receive any broker’s, finder’s or similar fee or commission in respect thereof based in any way on any agreement, arrangement or understanding made by or on behalf of any of the Companies; provided that “financial advisors” shall not include any tax, accounting or other similar providers of financial services to the Companies listed on Schedule 3.03(b). True and correct copies of the Company’s agreement with Seabury and all agreements between any of the Companies, on the one hand, and each Person listed on Schedule 3.03(a) (or any of their respective Affiliates), on the other, have been delivered to the Investor.
08-19-2009, 11:58 PM
#108
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Originally Posted by FAULTPUSH
Because they were hired to fly something else. That's not to say that they wouldn't be great at it, but it all goes back to career expectation.
have created a company capable of purchasing another company to advance itself in business then so be it. That company is now part of my company. D.O.H. is not going to cut it or happen. Relative seniority, temporary (2-3 year) equipment fences plus no displacements or down grades directly related to a vacancy bid is the only thing fair to anyone. The career expectation is to have a job. Everyone should be able to check that box fairly soon.
relative ie:
RAH has 2100 F9 has 700. Starting top down it goes 3/1 For the record that moves me down about 400 so I am not making any leaps over anyone's back here either.
The Midwest, Lynx, and Mokele Lists are a bit more tricky but should be handled much in the same way. Lynx, Mokele and F9 have aircraft, the Midwest situation needs rectified quick to allow the displaced pilots to bid over.
Furloughs go below furloughs. Nothing makes anyone persons family anymore important then the others but RAH isn't the one in financial trouble. Word is by the time we get this ironed out everyone should be off the street. They won't be happy but they will have a seat.
08-20-2009, 03:26 AM
#109
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Originally Posted by rdneckpilot
you got it right. I'm already looking for a job. Arguing about fences and their duration is academic when everyone will be looking for new jobs in less than two years.
Sorry to hear that. I hope things work out for you but the reality is this is a huge, risky experiment BB is conducting. Good luck to you all.
