Republic/MidWest growth...taking Delta flying
09-01-2009, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Killer51883
an actual regional carrier? what is that anymore? colgan? piedmont? delta doesnt have any "regional carriers" they are all capable of flying small jets through multiple regions.
oops i forgot they have mesaba's saabs. so they have what less than 50 regional airplanes?
oops i forgot they have mesaba's saabs. so they have what less than 50 regional airplanes?
09-01-2009, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Killer51883
an actual regional carrier? what is that anymore? colgan? piedmont? delta doesnt have any "regional carriers" they are all capable of flying small jets through multiple regions.
oops i forgot they have mesaba's saabs. so they have what less than 50 regional airplanes?
oops i forgot they have mesaba's saabs. so they have what less than 50 regional airplanes?
09-01-2009, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by xtreme
^ Ahh the slow collapse begins. Expect the rest of the major's to drop them too. Hopefully this will mean that the majors can lock down some better scope and the rest of the flying to be divided up between actual regional carriers.
09-01-2009, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Nu - exactly. One easy way, as you point out, is to follow the money.
The problem remains that this is the same argument the DCI pilots made back in 1999 when Comair and ASA were excluded from ALPA's merger and fragmentation policy. Both ASA and Comair were very profitable and it was hoped those profits would flow to Delta as a vertically integrated company like Rockefeller created Standard Oil to be. (Exxon/Mobil today)
But, ALPA decided it did not want to dilute the Delta pilot (contract/standards/etc...) and decided to exclude that flying. It wasn't just at Delta, every airline did it, US Air, United, Northwest, American, TWA and I think Eastern started the whole "outsourcing B scale is good" concept.
Now our exclusions are biting us in the butt. Every exception to our scope is a hole and I believe management over the past several days has demonstrated an ability to outsource A320 and 757 flying.
The problem remains that this is the same argument the DCI pilots made back in 1999 when Comair and ASA were excluded from ALPA's merger and fragmentation policy. Both ASA and Comair were very profitable and it was hoped those profits would flow to Delta as a vertically integrated company like Rockefeller created Standard Oil to be. (Exxon/Mobil today)
But, ALPA decided it did not want to dilute the Delta pilot (contract/standards/etc...) and decided to exclude that flying. It wasn't just at Delta, every airline did it, US Air, United, Northwest, American, TWA and I think Eastern started the whole "outsourcing B scale is good" concept.
Now our exclusions are biting us in the butt. Every exception to our scope is a hole and I believe management over the past several days has demonstrated an ability to outsource A320 and 757 flying.
Because there are some senior pilots that specifically WANT to exclude <100 seat flying with the misguided notion that they will be able to take that "cost savings" and use it toward higher wide body pay. Some would surely sell out even the 757 with that thought.
Granted most of those guys will never suffer from that thinking as they are retired/dead yet the carnage and loss of total earnings in the overall career is obvious.
09-01-2009, 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeMerchant
What is an "actual regional carrier"?
09-01-2009, 04:55 PM
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or would it be a company that only operates aircraft in a small region of the country. even with out the 190 RAH is not a regional. Nor would I describe comair, Eagle, Skywest... or any other "regional". They are all small market/additional feed airlines or contract carriers. The only regionals still out there would be great lakes, colgan, cape air, places that dont fly halfway across the country on one flight.
09-01-2009, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeMerchant
What is an "actual regional carrier"?
I agree with... a airline that you build experience and the majority of the pilots move on to another airline.
Use to be a prop airline, then a 50 seat RJ airline and today it is an airline flying 76 seat or less.
09-01-2009, 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeMerchant
Maybe we should just have "airplanes" and "airlines"...Why the classification of "regional" and "mainline"? Wouldn't that be smarter?
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