The Delta "wind check"
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I agree with KCFAT. I also ask for wind checks when I'm suspicious of something going on. The wind can change rapidly, and I like to know what to expect, especially if it's a contaminated runway - particularly during the winter months.
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#3. You're missing the point. When things don't look right, it's best to be prepared and to start thinking about what you're going to do if winds suddenly change.
In my scenario, if my equipment is saying tailwinds and tower is calling headwinds, I know there's a shear. How bad? I don't know, it depends on how rapidly or slowly the direction changes. But knowledge is power and it helps me know if there's a potential problem that I'm about to fly into.
In my scenario, if my equipment is saying tailwinds and tower is calling headwinds, I know there's a shear. How bad? I don't know, it depends on how rapidly or slowly the direction changes. But knowledge is power and it helps me know if there's a potential problem that I'm about to fly into.
Which is why I'm asking. In Atlanta, it's quite obvious that it's usually Delta who's asking. Which is why I wondered if it was procedural, aircraft specific, or just something that kind of catches on with the pilot group.
Last edited by SilkySmooth; 10-10-2009 at 06:19 AM.
#13
Ah......, yeah, in Atlanta, 9 times out of 10 it's Delta!
Well, when the wind has been the same for the past 6 hours, one begins to wonder.
In your scenario, if you suspect windshere I would agree.
Which is why I'm asking. In Atlanta, it's quite obvious that it's usually Delta who's asking. Which is why I wondered if it was procedural, aircraft specific, or just something that kind of catches on with the pilot group.
Well, when the wind has been the same for the past 6 hours, one begins to wonder.
In your scenario, if you suspect windshere I would agree.
Which is why I'm asking. In Atlanta, it's quite obvious that it's usually Delta who's asking. Which is why I wondered if it was procedural, aircraft specific, or just something that kind of catches on with the pilot group.
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Ah......, yeah, in Atlanta, 9 times out of 10 it's Delta!
Which is why I'm asking. In Atlanta, it's quite obvious that it's usually Delta who's asking. Which is why I wondered if it was procedural, aircraft specific, or just something that kind of catches on with the pilot group.
Which is why I'm asking. In Atlanta, it's quite obvious that it's usually Delta who's asking. Which is why I wondered if it was procedural, aircraft specific, or just something that kind of catches on with the pilot group.
What are the odds of that happening???
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That's what I thought...Didn't know we did it more than anyone else. Always cracks me up when one of these threads pops up. Keep "laughing" and "chuckling" at us silkysmooth....What relevance at all does a thread like this have?
There is no "procedural requirement" other than for us to get the most current winds to adjust our REF speed.
Like I said, keep laughing and keep flying slow when the winds pick up and you didn't know about it because you were too embarrassed to ask for a "wind check". Stupid thread but had to respond.
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I remember a few years ago it was somebody asking why AA pilots (not Delta) always ask for a wind check. He received the same responses. Someone automatically responded about ex-military guys being too anal. Someone else tried to explain exactly why they did it. Many reasons, some valid, some maybe not. If the original post was intended to learn technique I applaud your desire to better yourself. There are many valid reasons to ask for winds on short final.
If you don't want a wind check, don't ask for one but there's no need to ridicule someone else for asking about information over the runway of intended landing. I don't know too many areas in aviation where having too much information will hurt you. Maybe the guys who refuse to ask for wind updates think it's not macho and their coolness factor diminishes. Most of the exceptional pilots I know save the coolness test for the bar and want as much information as possible when flying. The weak pilots are the ones who think they need no help to handle it all with one eye closed, one engine out and a worthless copilot. Like Clint said, "A man's got ta know his limitations."
If you don't want a wind check, don't ask for one but there's no need to ridicule someone else for asking about information over the runway of intended landing. I don't know too many areas in aviation where having too much information will hurt you. Maybe the guys who refuse to ask for wind updates think it's not macho and their coolness factor diminishes. Most of the exceptional pilots I know save the coolness test for the bar and want as much information as possible when flying. The weak pilots are the ones who think they need no help to handle it all with one eye closed, one engine out and a worthless copilot. Like Clint said, "A man's got ta know his limitations."
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Is it really that big of a deal? I like the fact that the DAL pilots (and I've never noticed them doing it any more than others) ask for this.
I agree with KCFAT. I also ask for wind checks when I'm suspicious of something going on. The wind can change rapidly, and I like to know what to expect, especially if it's a contaminated runway - particularly during the winter months.
I agree with KCFAT. I also ask for wind checks when I'm suspicious of something going on. The wind can change rapidly, and I like to know what to expect, especially if it's a contaminated runway - particularly during the winter months.
Or altitude verifications on climb outs and descents? Sheeeeesh.
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when i fly DC3s almost always ask for a wind check,it matters,whats the big deal ?
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If you are going to disengage the auto-throttles on a manual approach the Boeing manuals require a additive. As you have discussed it is min of 5.
(All steady state+1/2 the gust) That is the reason most of the guys I fly with ask for it. The are professionals and want the exact additive needed, not a knot more not a knot less.
(All steady state+1/2 the gust) That is the reason most of the guys I fly with ask for it. The are professionals and want the exact additive needed, not a knot more not a knot less.
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