The Delta "wind check"
10-10-2009, 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(All steady state+1/2 the gust) That is the reason most of the guys I fly with ask for it. The are professionals and want the exact additive needed, not a knot more not a knot less.
10-10-2009, 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Ski Patrol
Sounds like a blast flying right seat with those 1 knot types.
I have to say that I'm more of a captnjs type of pilot 
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10-10-2009, 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
I have a digital airspeed readout in my airplane and if I tried to hold it +/- 1 knots - I'd be all over the place. My landing profile is fairly exact too so if this +/- 1 kt is the standard I'll have to look elsewhere I have to say that I'm more of a captnjs type of pilot
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I have to say that I'm more of a captnjs type of pilot USMCFLYR
10-10-2009, 09:02 PM
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Concentrating on that 1 knot of airspeed will lead to tunnel-vision, and thus missing the big picture.
I've observed a bunch of Yeagers out there jockey those thrust levers back and forth just for that one knot. And of course the control column moves back and forth to counter the continuous thrust adjustments too. And lets not forget about the trim wheel constantly on the go either. All this and more right down to the flare. All you need is the sound track from Airport and you have the perfect movie.
But seriously folks... notwithstanding non-normal configurations, wind checks are essential during autolands to ensure the headwind, crosswind or tailwind components are not exceeded as contained within the Aircraft Operations Manual.
Also some aircraft do have crosswind limitations for wet runways, and runways that are less than 150 foot in width.
I've observed a bunch of Yeagers out there jockey those thrust levers back and forth just for that one knot. And of course the control column moves back and forth to counter the continuous thrust adjustments too. And lets not forget about the trim wheel constantly on the go either. All this and more right down to the flare. All you need is the sound track from Airport and you have the perfect movie.
But seriously folks... notwithstanding non-normal configurations, wind checks are essential during autolands to ensure the headwind, crosswind or tailwind components are not exceeded as contained within the Aircraft Operations Manual.
Also some aircraft do have crosswind limitations for wet runways, and runways that are less than 150 foot in width.
10-11-2009, 12:27 AM
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[QUOTE=SilkySmooth;691727]
> Well, when the wind has been the same for the past 6 hours,
> one begins to wonder.
Sorry, we weren't here 6 hrs ago.
> Well, when the wind has been the same for the past 6 hours,
> one begins to wonder.
Sorry, we weren't here 6 hrs ago.
10-11-2009, 12:50 AM
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SilkySmooth,
Regarding your question about tower-reported vs. ND wind, Airbus says that the tower reported winds are to be used in respect to cross-wind and autoland limitations. That said, good judgement should always prevail. If, for example, on approach to KLGA at 100 ' my ND still says I have a twenty knot tailwind, that's a missed approach.
Though I agree that there are many valid reasons to ask for a windcheck, I am more of a captjns type as well. I find that if you maintain good S.A. throughout your entire flight, instead of chasing that 1 KIAS, it is likely that you would hear the winds reported to the aircraft 6 miles ahead of you landing or taking off from the same runway that you are about to land on.
Regarding your question about tower-reported vs. ND wind, Airbus says that the tower reported winds are to be used in respect to cross-wind and autoland limitations. That said, good judgement should always prevail. If, for example, on approach to KLGA at 100 ' my ND still says I have a twenty knot tailwind, that's a missed approach.
Though I agree that there are many valid reasons to ask for a windcheck, I am more of a captjns type as well. I find that if you maintain good S.A. throughout your entire flight, instead of chasing that 1 KIAS, it is likely that you would hear the winds reported to the aircraft 6 miles ahead of you landing or taking off from the same runway that you are about to land on.
10-11-2009, 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted by subicpilot
Windshere, windsthere, windseverywhere...ygbsm...
10-11-2009, 05:25 AM
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I do it because I like to hear myself on the radio - I sound so cool.
Actually, as an Air Force heavy type, I seem to remember that is is beaten into your head (at least in initial training) to always ask for a wind check.
Old habits die hard, I suppose.
Actually, as an Air Force heavy type, I seem to remember that is is beaten into your head (at least in initial training) to always ask for a wind check.
Old habits die hard, I suppose.
10-11-2009, 06:34 AM
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Hi!
I ask for a wind check whenever I feel like it...learned it in the Air Force (and I am not Delta...not for lack of trying!). I also find it amusing when I'm with a civilian pilot and we have an Air Force tower...we get the "Check Gear Down" call from the tower, and the civvy guy looks at me like we forgot something!
I try to fly the correct speed. On our gauges, I can't see one knot. As opposed to being exactly on speed all the way down the approach, I prefer to land.
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I ask for a wind check whenever I feel like it...learned it in the Air Force (and I am not Delta...not for lack of trying!). I also find it amusing when I'm with a civilian pilot and we have an Air Force tower...we get the "Check Gear Down" call from the tower, and the civvy guy looks at me like we forgot something!
I try to fly the correct speed. On our gauges, I can't see one knot. As opposed to being exactly on speed all the way down the approach, I prefer to land.
cliff
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10-11-2009, 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by SilkySmooth
OK, guys, I'm trying to be serious
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Why do Delta pilots routinely ask for a wind check? Is it a procedural requirement? Does it have to do with the particular aircraft you're flying? Perhaps some type of limitational requirement? Is it just an old military habit? The rest of us smile every time you guys as for a "wind check," but if there's a good reason, I'd be curious to hear what it is. Enlighten me!
.Why do Delta pilots routinely ask for a wind check? Is it a procedural requirement? Does it have to do with the particular aircraft you're flying? Perhaps some type of limitational requirement? Is it just an old military habit? The rest of us smile every time you guys as for a "wind check," but if there's a good reason, I'd be curious to hear what it is. Enlighten me!
Military pilots are alway trying to make every landing perfect and don't have "who cares, I am just a bus driver" mentality like most Regional, burned out guys who sold their souls for substandard pay and rules.
Simply gives you better SA. Attention to detail thing.
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