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acl65pilot 10-14-2009 04:17 PM

Yeah, Buzz the next thing we will hear is that UAV time will count towards ttl time :D

buzzpat 10-14-2009 04:21 PM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 694434)
Yeah, Buzz the next thing we will hear is that UAV time will count towards ttl time :D

Hee hee. Yep, the guys would love that. Hating the UAV time thing. But, kick butt in UPT, and fly what you want. I do believe, however, that the days of the manned fighter are numbered. Still, flying the C-17 ain't a bad thing. Stick, HUD, heavy jet, etc.;)

KC10 FATboy 10-14-2009 04:23 PM

You better believe it that in our lifetime, we will see this argument being made.

The UAVs will over time replace a lot of manned combat air forces aircraft. Additionally, the number of heavies will decrease as well. Over time, the pool of qualified military applicants is going to decrease significantly.

KC10 FATboy 10-14-2009 04:24 PM

OMG, a C-130 pilot endorsing a C-17? Are you kidding me? Did hell freeze over?

You know buzz, when the C-17s retire, they will chop them up and fly them to the desert in the back of C-130s.

buzzpat 10-14-2009 04:32 PM


Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy (Post 694441)
OMG, a C-130 pilot endorsing a C-17? Are you kidding me? Did hell freeze over?

You know buzz, when the C-17s retire, they will chop them up and fly them to the desert in the back of C-130s.

Nope, C-141 guy here. Star Lizard driver all the way. Only good thing about the 130 guys was that they could party (and had the Bravo Bar at Mildenhall, which they were kind enough to invite us into, and we stole all of their British girlfriends. But that's another story for another day. And one for which I, thankfully, was not courts martialed).

I was selected for the initial cadre in the C-17 at one point but opted out when the first aircraft deliveries were delayed for a couple of years. Its a great jet though and I have lots of buds flying it.

My opinion as to unmanned flying is this: if there are other people on board, there will be a human at the controls. Ifs it strictly a delivery vehicle, munitions, whatever, it'll eventually become a UAV.

forgot to bid 10-14-2009 04:48 PM


Originally Posted by 390SetBlue (Post 694406)
(2) MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS-
  • (A) PROSPECTIVE FLIGHT CREWMEMBERS- Rules issued under paragraph (1) shall ensure that prospective flight crewmembers undergo comprehensive pre-employment screening, including an assessment of the skills, aptitudes, airmanship, and suitability of each applicant for a position as a flight crewmember in terms of functioning effectively in the air carrier’s operational environment.
  • (B) ALL FLIGHT CREWMEMBERS- Rules issued under paragraph (1) shall ensure that, after the date that is 3 years after the date of enactment of this Act, all flight crewmembers--
    • (i) have obtained an airline transport pilot license under part 61 of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations; and
    • (ii) have appropriate multi-engine aircraft flight experience, as determined by the Administrator.

Is that a requirement for a sim eval for hiring?

And what is the difference for the regional drivers to go from an SIC to a PIC type in their next recurrent? I'm thinking a no flap landing, taxi, one RTO and one takeoff. Is that right? Everything else should be the same, right?

DAL4EVER 10-14-2009 04:55 PM


Originally Posted by kalyx522 (Post 694340)
did they say if 121 FOs already in the system who do not yet have their ATP would be grandfathered in? I was planning on waiting it out till I upgrade because I don't want to pay for it myself.

I don't see you being "grandfathered" in. But I do see the airlines giving you the ATP during a regular PC. Its not hard, a couple of stall series, steep turns, no flap landing, everything else is pretty standard to a normal PC. The question now becomes "what happens to the guys on furlough with 300-1000 hours. If they don't come back quickly enough, they may not be able to hold the ATP. Then what? Are they fired? Given indefinite leave until they reach 1500 hours? Don't know.

The question of now the regionals will have to pay more is interesting. That's why they weren't attracting 1500 hour pilots to begin with. Why start at $18k when you can fly corporate and start at $45k? If they don't bring the wages up, it won't matter that they have to hire 1500 hour guys. They won't have anyone applying.

DAL4EVER 10-14-2009 04:55 PM

Also, does anyone know what the flight time/duty limitations in the bill are?

threegreen 10-14-2009 05:01 PM

What will happen to the everyone who is working right now but does not have 1500TT? Will they stay or be let go?

Lab Rat 10-14-2009 05:05 PM


Originally Posted by DAL4EVER (Post 694459)
Also, does anyone know what the flight time/duty limitations in the bill are?

Don't know for certain, but I think that is an entirely different bill.


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