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Avroman 10-14-2009 06:37 PM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 694368)
1) CA's need it now so this was directed at FO's

2) If you work for an airline I would assume that it will be their responsibility to ATP you.

1 Bingo

2 It will be a LOT cheaper to just type/ATP the fo's in their next training cycle than try to hire anyone else that already has an ATP. So any guesses what will happen the next time you go to recurrent?

Zayghami 10-14-2009 07:00 PM

Senate then Obama still have to sign it...

Superpilot92 10-14-2009 07:18 PM

i went through the house vote in a landslide, it'll make it through the senate but it'll probably be modified some. we'll see

slowplay 10-14-2009 08:43 PM


Originally Posted by Superpilot92 (Post 694564)
i went through the house vote in a landslide, it'll make it through the senate but it'll probably be modified some. we'll see

You better hope so, especially if you're a commuter.

This bill requires the FAA administrator to get the National Academy of Sciences to convene a study within 90 days on commuting and make recommendations for regulatory changes. That's watered down from the initial 180 mile/3 hours from base rule, but the writing is on the wall.

This is what happens when Unions try to fix industrial problems through politics rather than the process. Prater's testimony handed the RAA a big baseball bat to swing at us, and they did. And all the unions cheer. I'm guessing the Delta MEC might have a different point of view.

                                DAL4EVER 10-14-2009 08:53 PM


                                Originally Posted by LuvJockey (Post 694324)
                                Finally! Our unions work together to save our profession. Great job, CAPA.

                                HOUSE PASSES IMPORTANT AIRLINE SAFETY AND PILOT TRAINING BILL


                                Washington, DC - October 14, 2009. Today the U.S. House of Representatives passed important aviation safety legislation. H.R. 3371, the "Airline Safety and Pilot Training Improvement Act of 2009," is a bipartisan bill sponsored by Transportation Committee Chairman Jim Oberstar (D-MN), Aviation Subcommittee Chairman Jerry Costello (D-IL), and the ranking GOP members, John Mica (R-FL) and Tom Petri (R-WI). This legislation is strongly supported by the Coalition of Airline Pilots Associations (CAPA).

                                One of the key provisions in the bill would require that all pilots, Captains and First Officers alike, hold an FAA Airline Transport Pilot (ATP) license and have at least 1500 hours of flight time to fly FAA part 121commercial aircraft. A late change was made to the legislation allowing "credit" toward flight hours for specific academic training, which CAPA is opposed to, but overall HR 3371 goes a long way to address important safety issues. CAPA feels strongly that there is no substitute for actual experience in the cockpit and that "one level of safety" should be the standard for all ATP licensed pilots.

                                H.R. 3371 contains other important provisions that would require firm implementation dates for new Flight Time and Duty Time limitations, require the implementation of Fatigue Risk Management Systems to more adequately track pilot fatigue, and facilitate the establishment of Aviation Safety Action Programs (ASAP) and Flight Operational Quality Assurance (FOQA) programs by all commercial airlines and their Unions.

                                CAPA thanks Chairman Costello, Ranking Member Petri, the entire Aviation Subcommittee members and staff for this landmark achievement in aviation safety legislation. We fully support the effort to advance these critical safety provisions and stand ready to work with the Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure and the Senate Commerce Committee to send a bill to President Obama this year that reflects the important principals laid out in H.R. 3371 which will improve safety for the American flying public.

                                Apparently that change was Embry Riddle trying to say that people holding a BA or BS from an aviation university like Embry Riddle, the 1500 hour requirement would drop to 750 TT. That means the 1500 hour rule is a moot point if you pay Embry Riddle the requisite cash.

                                80ktsClamp 10-14-2009 09:06 PM


                                Originally Posted by DAL4EVER (Post 694615)
                                Apparently that change was Embry Riddle trying to say that people holding a BA or BS from an aviation university like Embry Riddle, the 1500 hour requirement would drop to 750 TT. That means the 1500 hour rule is a moot point if you pay Embry Riddle the requisite cash.


                                The least experienced pilots money can buy! Like any ERAU pilot was quantitatively any better with the same licenses than any other person....

                                avi8tor4life 10-14-2009 10:13 PM


                                Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 694621)
                                The least experienced pilots money can buy! Like any ERAU pilot was quantitatively any better with the same licenses than any other person....

                                You got that right!

                                Fly4hire 10-15-2009 02:43 AM

                                [QUOTE=slowplay;694608]

                                You better hope so, especially if you're a commuter.

                                This is what happens when Unions try to fix industrial problems through politics rather than the process. Prater's testimony handed the RAA a big baseball bat to swing at us, and they did. And all the unions cheer.
                                Walk me through the Prater/RAA bit.

                                Fly4hire 10-15-2009 02:46 AM


                                Originally Posted by DAL4EVER (Post 694615)
                                Apparently that change was Embry Riddle trying to say that people holding a BA or BS from an aviation university like Embry Riddle, the 1500 hour requirement would drop to 750 TT. That means the 1500 hour rule is a moot point if you pay Embry Riddle the requisite cash.

                                Who exactly introduced that?

                                satchip 10-15-2009 03:00 AM

                                You should go read the regional thread on this topic. The entitlement mentality of some of these kids is amazing. "I'm not paying for it! They better give it to me. Now I have to spend three more years instructing before I can get that RJ job! Now I have to fly freight to get the XC time!" It seems there are some adults on that thread who make a good argument and intelligent conversation. But for the most part the tone is quite different.


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