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Originally Posted by AceOnTheRiver
(Post 699398)
I believe that if you give the Eagle pilots pay for TOS and have a fence to prevent furlough fodder then you could get an agreement without much fuss. The hard part is getting AMR on board.
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Originally Posted by Flyby1206
(Post 699641)
Complete elimination of scope issues should be a reason for AMR to perk up. Being the only legacy carrier remotely close to that position would give them a serious competitive advantage. How hard would it be for DAL to accomplish the same feat?
If AMR is serious about innovating then this should be their first step. Simple, streamlined, efficient operations. It's worked pretty well from a labor standpoint and that is where they believe their best bet for future competivness and profitability lies. AMR has had the same scope issues for 2 decades, so nothing is new of late. Ultimately we're talking about 100 or so Eagle pilots (the 50% or so who are still actually interested in flowing) moving up to AA at some point under defined criteria. IMO, AMR has no interest in making any earth shattering logisical labor alterations over 100 piddly little Eagle pilots. They wont do it for 2000 furloughed mainline pilots either. Alignment of labor hurts them more than helps them in their eyes...............but it's certainly a pleasurable fantasy for many an Eagle pilot. |
yes to come to a downsizing airline and be at the bottom. ae pilots may have a fantasy but aa pilots are delusional
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Originally Posted by buddies8
(Post 699750)
yes to come to a downsizing airline and be at the bottom. ae pilots may have a fantasy but aa pilots are delusional
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What I think the whole sad AE/AA debacle shows is that any kind of flow-up/down/sideways or otherwise agreement is no workable in ANY form with ANY language. The problem lies in capricious, incomprehensible, and mystifying decisions by arbitrators. As long as they are in the process in any way, no contract or agreement is worth the paper it's written on. The decisions of the past year by arbitrators have convinced me of that.
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Originally Posted by Wheels up
(Post 700151)
What I think the whole sad AE/AA debacle shows is that any kind of flow-up/down/sideways or otherwise agreement is no workable in ANY form with ANY language. The problem lies in capricious, incomprehensible, and mystifying decisions by arbitrators. As long as they are in the process in any way, no contract or agreement is worth the paper it's written on. The decisions of the past year by arbitrators have convinced me of that.
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surprising that these flow-throughs will now go ahead of furloughee Many of the flow-throughs have AA numbers much higher than the furloughs |
One list increases labor's bargaining power. It may simplify many aspects of our life, and improve QOL. Even a lowly RJ FO would have mainline benefits. Given all of that, why on earth would management ever want one list?? They have already commenced the whipsaw with all the Connection flying.
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Originally Posted by Wheels up
(Post 700151)
What I think the whole sad AE/AA debacle shows is that any kind of flow-up/down/sideways or otherwise agreement is no workable in ANY form with ANY language. The problem lies in capricious, incomprehensible, and mystifying decisions by arbitrators. As long as they are in the process in any way, no contract or agreement is worth the paper it's written on. The decisions of the past year by arbitrators have convinced me of that.
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