AA to take Eagle flow throughs.
10-22-2009, 07:49 PM
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AA to take Eagle flow throughs.
APA and AA lost the flow through arbitration and will have to take several hundred flow throughs starting soon after final issues are resolved. Does this mean AA might start recalling again? I guess we will see how serious APA is about one list. I think that with both carriers adding aircraft and Eagle recalling pilots and gearing up to hire, wouldn't this be the perfect time to work out either one list, or a Pan Am master list scenario.
10-22-2009, 08:04 PM
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Immeadiate flow may not necessarily be part of any negotiated settlement. We'll have to wait and see. A large percentage of these pilots (200+), have little interest in flowing now anyway. The most senior of these pilots were supposed to flow 8 years ago and now are in their 50's.
10-23-2009, 05:06 AM
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Originally Posted by JetPiedmont
Wouldn't all furloughees have to be recalled before flow thru could occur?
Conventional wisdom and the contract would say so, however the arbitrator in the grievance ruled that the TWA pilots were deemed "new-hires", so flow-throughs should have occurred.
10-23-2009, 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by EXTW
Conventional wisdom and the contract would say so, however the arbitrator in the grievance ruled that the TWA pilots were deemed "new-hires", so flow-throughs should have occurred.
10-23-2009, 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
WOW, that is a load of .....
10-23-2009, 07:27 AM
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That is my take. I looked at the Eagle seniority list and it looks like around 28% are already AA pilots and the bottom 47% were hired after AA stop hiring. That leaves about 25% that would be hit with one list. I would think that would be an easy fix with a fence. A big part of that 25% are making over 120K and have less than 5 years to go so they probably wouldn't want to go to AA anyway.
As far as bringing AA pilots at Eagle to AA prior to furloughs, I wouldn't be surprised to see AA start recalling next year to mitigate any disruptions.
If APA can see that they could put together one list without losing any seniority whereby gaining all RJ flying back, I see that as a no brainer. I believe that if you give the Eagle pilots pay for TOS and have a fence to prevent furlough fodder then you could get an agreement without much fuss. The hard part is getting AMR on board.
As far as bringing AA pilots at Eagle to AA prior to furloughs, I wouldn't be surprised to see AA start recalling next year to mitigate any disruptions.
If APA can see that they could put together one list without losing any seniority whereby gaining all RJ flying back, I see that as a no brainer. I believe that if you give the Eagle pilots pay for TOS and have a fence to prevent furlough fodder then you could get an agreement without much fuss. The hard part is getting AMR on board.
10-23-2009, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by AceOnTheRiver
.........The hard part is getting AMR on board.
Without AMR interest, it will never happen and AMR has (and has had) absolutely NO interest in a "one list" concept at AMR.
10-23-2009, 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
No, that's the IMPOSSIBLE part.
Without AMR interest, it will never happen and AMR has (and has had) absolutely NO interest in a "one list" concept at AMR.
Without AMR interest, it will never happen and AMR has (and has had) absolutely NO interest in a "one list" concept at AMR.
If AMR is serious about innovating then this should be their first step. Simple, streamlined, efficient operations.
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