Originally Posted by Fritzthepilot (Post 704140)

Simply put, this was a software issue for UAL management to solve.

Originally Posted by Fritzthepilot (Post 704140)

and Express pilots thought they could hold a gun to the pilots of United. They set a date after which United pilots could not ride the RJ jumpseat unless the United Pilots intervened to solve the problems of the RJ pilots with UAL management. We have enough problems with UAL to fight their battles as well.

Originally Posted by Fritzthepilot (Post 704140)

They decided to threaten the use of the jumpseat as a means/weapon to get what they wanted. Which was amateurish and wrong.

Originally Posted by Fritzthepilot (Post 704140)

I can't make it much simpler than that. I frankly don't care what got their panties in a wad over the jumpseat.

Originally Posted by Fritzthepilot (Post 704140)

My problem is they were going to use the seat as a weapon thinking that collectively, their tails could wag the dog. If I could type braille for you I would, but by the amount of postings I see you have on this forumn, I don't think it would work.

Originally Posted by Fritzthepilot (Post 704140)

Btw, you said, "As well as wondering why a UAL pilot was being processed ABOVE a UAX pilot on THAT UAX pilot's own company?" I was just wondering, who is in final control of the airplane jumpseat, the "C"aptain or the gate agent?

Originally Posted by dojetdriver (Post 704223)

True. But the problem was, they kept telling the UAX carriers that it was out of their hands, and that management didn't want to fix it. Went on for what, 2 years? The problem was, it WAS changed in the first part of 2008 to kick the priority up of TSA/GoJets pilot above other UAX carriers. So if the system glitch couldn't be changed, how where they able to put one carrier above others, but not able to sort out a particular carrier on that carriers equipment?



Not really, they simply stated that after 2 years, they are tired of UAL not willing to solve the problem. Read the LAST part of the letter again. It wants UAL pilots to contact their reps and let them know what's going on, because the UAX JS chairs are doing nothing but banging their head against the wall trying to get it fixed.



See above.



So you don't care that pilot is not being given the JS on his OWN equipment?



Not really, they were simply tired of the problem that was going on, and wanted to bring it to the attention of the pilots. How long can you expect something like that to continue, with the JS chairs going through all the proper channels but to no avail? And what was the effect? Did it ever come down to the "war". NOPE, they FINALLY got it straightened out. Pretty sad what it took to get it straightened out, isn't it? But what do you expect when somebody is unwilling to change something? As far as the last part, is that MORE flame?



Yep, we all know the CA is, but the problem that was occurring that most people don't get was this; At locations where the plane is distant from the gate, and or the UAL/UAX gate agent is poorly trained, the UAX pilot was not even being given the OMC and able to walk down to see the CA, only the UAL pilot was. Now the UAX pilot is being denied the seat.

Originally Posted by Fritzthepilot (Post 704236)

It will sound cold, but I could care less about the jumpseat snafu's at other carriers. I could care less how long it has been going on, and barriers in place to prevent a solution for that carrier.

Originally Posted by Fritzthepilot (Post 704236)

We have our own set of distinct issues here at United. None of which you should care about. I will say that we just put 1450 pilots out on the street at the same time Glenn Tilton and the gang are exponentially growing the RJ fleet. Most are being furloughed for the second time.

Originally Posted by Fritzthepilot (Post 704236)

To that end, you won't find many here who care about the travails of the Express pilots. If a childish stunt threatening to ban us from the jumpseat is ever employed again, I can assure the Express pilots that the outcome might not be as pleasant.

Originally Posted by dojetdriver (Post 704246)

Gotta love that "it's all about me" attitude.



Wow, the company I work for has the second highest count of furloughed pilots on the street, right behind UAL. UAL is not the only company in the crapper right now.



Amazing how that "childish stunt" as you put it ACTUALLY got the problem resolved, isn't it? After TWO years of going though the proper channels.

And please, answer me this.

Why should a GoJet pilot get ANY kind of priority for anything?

And how is the one of the most anti scab airlines going to to give JS priority to the airlines that has the most scabs?

Originally Posted by Fritzthepilot (Post 704255)

I now understand why you have so many posts.

Originally Posted by Fritzthepilot (Post 704255)

I never said it was about me. I care the United pilots. I could care less about whether Timmy can get his jumpseat on his airline.

Originally Posted by Fritzthepilot (Post 704255)

So you say jumpseats should not be used a weapon but appear to agree that what they did was ok. Have a great career skippy! And yes, that was a flame.

Originally Posted by dojetdriver (Post 704258)

If you keep it up, you'll be there shortly.



Sorry, but the last sentence contradicts the first.



Not what I said, you're putting words in my mouth.

You have a great career also ;)

Any chance you might be able to answer the questions about GoJets and the scabs?

Originally Posted by Fritzthepilot (Post 704261)

Why is this being drug into a "why I should care about the plight of express pilots." GMAFB!

Originally Posted by Fritzthepilot (Post 704261)

Bevis, all I originally said was 1) Jumpseats should not be used as a weapon and

Originally Posted by Fritzthepilot (Post 704261)

2) The United Express routes are actually United routes. Nothing else.

Originally Posted by Fritzthepilot (Post 704261)

When 1450 pilot jobs are outsourced, I care about those pilots and their families. 90% of the f/o's I flew with are on the street.

Originally Posted by Fritzthepilot (Post 704261)

Why should I care about the problems at express?

Nuff said..

Originally Posted by Fritzthepilot (Post 704261)

This conversation is over chief.

Originally Posted by Fritzthepilot (Post 704140)

Simply put, this was a software issue for UAL management to solve. Express pilots thought they could hold a gun to the pilots of United. They set a date after which United pilots could not ride the RJ jumpseat unless the United Pilots intervened to solve the problems of the RJ pilots with UAL management. We have enough problems with UAL to fight their battles as well.

They decided to threaten the use of the jumpseat as a means/weapon to get what they wanted. Which was amateurish and wrong.

I can't make it much simpler than that. I frankly don't care what got their panties in a wad over the jumpseat. My problem is they were going to use the seat as a weapon thinking that collectively, their tails could wag the dog. If I could type braille for you I would, but by the amount of postings I see you have on this forumn, I don't think it would work.

Calling names? Dude, life's too short. I was stating that as long as people are respectful and are not shi$'s when they come in the cockpit, all are welcome. Even when an Express pilot shows up with a "Guppy Killer" sticker, I would not use the seat as a weapon as long as they were respectful on my plane. That won't preclude me from saying something to him/her when we were in the air, but they can ride the jumpseat.

Btw, you said, "As well as wondering why a UAL pilot was being processed ABOVE a UAX pilot on THAT UAX pilot's own company?" I was just wondering, who is in final control of the airplane jumpseat, the "C"aptain or the gate agent?

Originally Posted by syd111 (Post 704274)

Well I will disagree with you here fritz I would not let them ride with a guppy killer sticker on their bags. Many of my fo were flying that guppy not too long ago and something like that sticker sets off some tough feelings and takes my fo out of the loop on that leg? No thanks, would rather not take the jumpseater and work well with my fo.