Bedford inserts foot into mouth
12-20-2009 | 06:37 AM
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Do you really honestly think that BB and Republic have what it takes to effectively compete against the likes of Delta, Southwest, and AirTran? That they will have their regional contracts renewed by majors they're competing against?
Its not very hard to argue that Republic is bringing down "average" for our profession and that their ceased existence would improve things for this career.
Its not very hard to argue that Republic is bringing down "average" for our profession and that their ceased existence would improve things for this career.
So the loss of all jobs at F9 and Midwest would have been better for this career? Do you not think if Republic didn't venture down this road no other regional with extra cash would have? This industry has been brought down since any airline allowed a regional to fly more than 50 seats. I love how everyone could care less about someone flying around an 84 seat jet for less then we (RAH) make flying 50 seaters, but as soon as we hit 99 or 100 seats the industry suddenly has been brought down. We have not taken any concessions sine 9/11 to secure flying and are in the process of establishing 190 pay rates. We are also working on integration and trying to get the Midwest guys and gals back on property. I can honestly say everyone person I fly with agrees with me when I say that if we could just snap our fingers and have 190 pay and every Midwest person on property we would. Anyone in this business with proper knowledge knows this is impossible. Further, a strike for the actions taken by our company would be illegal, period! I hope we can bring good things to our industry in the future, not bring it down. Most of us came here to get hours and move on the a major, we didn't want to buy one and none of us would have voted (if given the choice) to do this. All I'm asking is not to place any blame on the individual pilot, we all want and feel how everyone else does. Merry Christmas!
12-20-2009 | 06:44 AM
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So the loss of all jobs at F9 and Midwest would have been better for this career? Do you not think if Republic didn't venture down this road no other regional with extra cash would have? This industry has been brought down since any airline allowed a regional to fly more than 50 seats. I love how everyone could care less about someone flying around an 84 seat jet for less then we (RAH) make flying 50 seaters, but as soon as we hit 99 or 100 seats the industry suddenly has been brought down. We have not taken any concessions sine 9/11 to secure flying and are in the process of establishing 190 pay rates. We are also working on integration and trying to get the Midwest guys and gals back on property. I can honestly say everyone person I fly with agrees with me when I say that if we could just snap our fingers and have 190 pay and every Midwest person on property we would. Anyone in this business with proper knowledge knows this is impossible. Further, a strike for the actions taken by our company would be illegal, period! I hope we can bring good things to our industry in the future, not bring it down. Most of us came here to get hours and move on the a major, we didn't want to buy one and none of us would have voted (if given the choice) to do this. All I'm asking is not to place any blame on the individual pilot, we all want and feel how everyone else does. Merry Christmas!
Never once have I blamed Republic pilots for what their airline has become. That blame solely and 100% lies on BB. It is extremely unfortunate what he is doing to this industry and is doing to the future of your company. You guys are fighting an uphill battle against completely corrupt and inept management that is bent on destroying both your jobs and our profession as a whole.
12-20-2009 | 11:10 AM
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So the loss of all jobs at F9 and Midwest would have been better for this career? Do you not think if Republic didn't venture down this road no other regional with extra cash would have? This industry has been brought down since any airline allowed a regional to fly more than 50 seats. I love how everyone could care less about someone flying around an 84 seat jet for less then we (RAH) make flying 50 seaters, but as soon as we hit 99 or 100 seats the industry suddenly has been brought down. We have not taken any concessions sine 9/11 to secure flying and are in the process of establishing 190 pay rates. We are also working on integration and trying to get the Midwest guys and gals back on property. I can honestly say everyone person I fly with agrees with me when I say that if we could just snap our fingers and have 190 pay and every Midwest person on property we would. Anyone in this business with proper knowledge knows this is impossible. Further, a strike for the actions taken by our company would be illegal, period! I hope we can bring good things to our industry in the future, not bring it down. Most of us came here to get hours and move on the a major, we didn't want to buy one and none of us would have voted (if given the choice) to do this. All I'm asking is not to place any blame on the individual pilot, we all want and feel how everyone else does. Merry Christmas!
Republics Pilot Union is the reason the Midwest pilots are "locked out" from integration.
Who's to Blame?
My feeling is the Republic Teamster EXCO is to blame. Its was done for the benefit of the Republic Pilots. If the Midwest pilots were integrated say 3 months after the June merger announcement, say October 1, Republic Airways would be furloughing pilots with 1-2 yrs experience verses furloughing 15-25 yr Midwest pilots.
I understand the Teamster desirer to gain Republic pilots jobs. I understand BB desire to keep the more junior pilots because they cost less. But it's not FAIR and EQUITABLE.
This was a merger. The SEC filing and BB statements prove it...
We are on track to close the Midwest merger by the end of July unless something unexpected surfaces. However, even after the deal closes, we have at least a 6 month transition process to work through to ensure we merge our airlines in a thoughtful and organized manner.
I hope the arbitrator can see through the actions of the Republic Teamsters. They have worked with BB to undermine the Midwest Pilots negotiations and then delayed the integration of the two airlines.
I hope the arbitrator can see through the actions of the Republic Teamsters. They have worked with BB to undermine the Midwest Pilots negotiations and then delayed the integration of the two airlines.
12-20-2009 | 11:23 AM
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I hope this trend continues for the Frontier pilots. I truly do.
Only time will tell what will eventually happen. Just ask the Midwest pilots how things have eventually worked out by being folded into Mr. Bedford's flock.
Only time will tell what will eventually happen. Just ask the Midwest pilots how things have eventually worked out by being folded into Mr. Bedford's flock.
12-20-2009 | 11:38 AM
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Duck, I understand. Republic Teamsters can not delay the integration forever.
Northwest/Delta made a integration agreement before the merger. SWA wanted a integration before buying the BK Frontier. BB/Republic Teamsters wanted the benefits of the airline merger without the labor contracts. In BB words...
“On the branded side, Midwest was a good brand but it was financially struggling,” he said. “The Midwest product has always produced a RASM premium over competition but at a substantial CASM premium as well. Our job was simple – could we buy company and operate it at our costs and we’ve done that. We’ve dismantled everything that was Midwest. There is no operating certificate, no unions, no anything.
BB should have made a ASSET purchase (like SWA buying ATA) of Midwest, because then he could legally burned all the labor contracts. He merged the companies and hopefully the integration arbitrator will make things right for the Midwest pilots and flight attendants.
12-20-2009 | 11:49 AM
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Republics Pilot Union is the reason the Midwest pilots are "locked out" from integration.
Who's to Blame?
My feeling is the Republic Teamster EXCO is to blame. Its was done for the benefit of the Republic Pilots. If the Midwest pilots were integrated say 3 months after the June merger announcement, say October 1, Republic Airways would be furloughing pilots with 1-2 yrs experience verses furloughing 15-25 yr Midwest pilots.
I understand the Teamster desirer to gain Republic pilots jobs. I understand BB desire to keep the more junior pilots because they cost less. But it's not FAIR and EQUITABLE.
This was a merger. The SEC filing and BB statements prove it...
Who's to Blame?
My feeling is the Republic Teamster EXCO is to blame. Its was done for the benefit of the Republic Pilots. If the Midwest pilots were integrated say 3 months after the June merger announcement, say October 1, Republic Airways would be furloughing pilots with 1-2 yrs experience verses furloughing 15-25 yr Midwest pilots.
I understand the Teamster desirer to gain Republic pilots jobs. I understand BB desire to keep the more junior pilots because they cost less. But it's not FAIR and EQUITABLE.
This was a merger. The SEC filing and BB statements prove it...
We are on track to close the Midwest merger by the end of July unless something unexpected surfaces. However, even after the deal closes, we have at least a 6 month transition process to work through to ensure we merge our airlines in a thoughtful and organized manner.
I hope the arbitrator can see through the actions of the Republic Teamsters. They have worked with BB to undermine the Midwest Pilots negotiations and then delayed the integration of the two airlines.
12-20-2009 | 11:52 AM
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Never once have I blamed Republic pilots for what their airline has become. That blame solely and 100% lies on BB. It is extremely unfortunate what he is doing to this industry and is doing to the future of your company. You guys are fighting an uphill battle against completely corrupt and inept management that is bent on destroying both your jobs and our profession as a whole.
Don’t blame BB and management. Managements job is to cut cost make profits. BLAME ALPA/ any UNION, they are responsible for the conditions in our industry. ALPA alone is responsible for what happened at YX.
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