TSA Urgent Security Directive
12-26-2009, 03:33 PM
#21
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Safer?
From an AP article:
I'll concentrate on the KNOWN terrorist ties above since suspected can be tricky to nail down - but this is actually telling me that a person with KNOWN terrorist ties doesn't rate being on a no-fly list?
Second part - a father comes to the government and states that he has worries about his son and what he may/or may not be involved in and this guy isn't watched just a little closer or selected for additional screening when a month later he has booked a flight? He was on a list - even if it wasn't a "no-fly" list, it should have tagged him as someone to take a closer look at during screening. It isn't profiling if you are operating on a tip or suspicion.
In the end - keeping people in their seats for the last hour of a flight and not allowing a pillow, blanket, computer, or book (?) in my lap is going to make us safer?
As I said - what have we become.
USMCFLYR
Containing some 550,000 names, the database includes people with known or suspected ties to a terrorist organization. However, it is not a list that would prohibit a person from boarding a U.S.-bound airplane.
In Nigeria, Alhaji Umaru Mutallab, the man's father, told The Associated Press, "I believe he might have been to Yemen, but we are investigating to determine that."
Second part - a father comes to the government and states that he has worries about his son and what he may/or may not be involved in and this guy isn't watched just a little closer or selected for additional screening when a month later he has booked a flight? He was on a list - even if it wasn't a "no-fly" list, it should have tagged him as someone to take a closer look at during screening. It isn't profiling if you are operating on a tip or suspicion.
In the end - keeping people in their seats for the last hour of a flight and not allowing a pillow, blanket, computer, or book (?) in my lap is going to make us safer?
As I said - what have we become.
USMCFLYR
12-26-2009, 03:42 PM
#22
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Okay, time to throw PC out the window. Racial profiling; I think yes. People with names like Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab should raise flags. sorry if I offended anyone, but the track record with Abu-babbi type names is not good
12-26-2009, 03:52 PM
#23
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This is a knee jerk reaction to the events of this flight. Much like DCA after 9-11 I do not see it lasting. Better yet, we need to have armed individuals on every flight and have it be known that if you cause an issue you will be dealt with.
People have to pee, that is ridiculous. It may be an action based upon specific intelligence, and guess what, we all better comply.
People have to pee, that is ridiculous. It may be an action based upon specific intelligence, and guess what, we all better comply.
12-26-2009, 04:03 PM
#24
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Originally Posted by 2Co2Fur1EXwife
Okay, time to throw PC out the window. Racial profiling; I think yes. People with names like Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab should raise flags. sorry if I offended anyone, but the track record with Abu-babbi type names is not good
12-26-2009, 04:11 PM
#25
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Just because you're paranoid...
A few thoughts on reading this thread.
1. You either believe there is a threat or you don't. Exposure to currently available "news", or personal beliefs and opinions regarding the reasons and politics behind the threat from terrorist acts do not in themselves insulate one or ones country from said threat.
2. Countering this perceived threat, in effect hardening targets, and causing possible threats to act elsewhere or not at all, causes inconvenience, lost time, and a perception that this is all "pretty silly".
3. Is it wise to discuss possible countermeasures put in place, by a government agency or private company (your airline), measures that may be temporary or permanent, on a WEBSITE readily accessible WORLDWIDE?
I am not defending or denigrating any current security policies in place. I hope that most will realize that the reality is, there IS a threat out there. And they're reading this.
1. You either believe there is a threat or you don't. Exposure to currently available "news", or personal beliefs and opinions regarding the reasons and politics behind the threat from terrorist acts do not in themselves insulate one or ones country from said threat.
2. Countering this perceived threat, in effect hardening targets, and causing possible threats to act elsewhere or not at all, causes inconvenience, lost time, and a perception that this is all "pretty silly".
3. Is it wise to discuss possible countermeasures put in place, by a government agency or private company (your airline), measures that may be temporary or permanent, on a WEBSITE readily accessible WORLDWIDE?
I am not defending or denigrating any current security policies in place. I hope that most will realize that the reality is, there IS a threat out there. And they're reading this.
12-26-2009, 04:59 PM
#26
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
People have to pee, that is ridiculous. It may be an action based upon specific intelligence, and guess what, we all better comply.
12-26-2009, 05:14 PM
#28
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
I get that Bar, point is that they told you what to do, we must comply to the best of our abilities. Those Pego women have been used too. Wonder what a sky marshal would do in that situation.
Maybe the fwd lav should be off limits. Maybe we could / should time passenger service to have a monitor near the bathroom. Maybe a timer ... other passengers would appreciate it if folks would not get in there and camp out.
I mean, if we announce the lav is off limits for the last hour I'm not sure what that achieves. As you pointed out, it is likely a "knee jerk" reaction from one part of our layered defense system.
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