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01-07-2010, 09:03 PM

#21

dojetdriver

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TonyWilliams

AHaving said that, how would you suggest a controller gets O'Hare type experience. They all had to start somewhere, and even the O'Hare guys/gals had a first day there, too.

Well, I hope that at least while they are trying to gain experience, they are paid a pitiful wage, treated like absolute crap from management, and are generally looked down upon by everybody till they get the experience to hopefully one day become a "real" controller.

01-09-2010, 07:09 AM

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powrful1

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My company requires stabilized 500 AFE for vis and 1000 AFE for instrument.

I personally like DCA controllers most of the time....but with anywhere everyone has their moments.

01-09-2010, 01:14 PM

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HercDriver130

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I think the ATL controllers do a pretty damn good job. I flew the E170 in out out of there daily for almost a year.... and once you get use to what they expect its a pretty nice "dance".... no uncommon to be at 8000' on downwind.... and be ready to get slammed with short vectors if its VFR and they can fit you in.... Having flown all over the world I really have no beef with ATL controllers... easy to understand over all pretty calm... ORD controllers are very very good... the ground guys there get their panties in a wad way too much but thats just their way!!!!

oh.. as to the OP... stabilized by 1000' IFR...500' VFR... no more than 1000'fpm rate of decent... speed no more than +10 to ref.

01-10-2010, 06:44 AM

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metrodriver

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AUS_ATC

I'd like to know what your company policy is with regards to flying a "stabilized approach". Please name your company if you're comfortable in doing so -- otherwise, just describe what is required.

I'm seeing most of our rookie Controllers issuing vectors inside the marker to all types of jets -- air carriers, regionals, and business jets. This is just something that I was never allowed to do in over 20 years of ATC with the FAA, unless of course, the pilot requested a "short approach". These vectors often mean that the crew is hauling ass, and expected to make 110 degree turn or more towards the airport without blowing through the final and impacting traffic on the straight-in approach to the parallel runway.

It seems to be a losing battle with these rookies. Trying to convince them to give you good vectors for a "stabilized approach" seems to be like ****ing in the wind, and they will slam you in front of straight-in traffic without batting an eye -- and then break-out the straight-in traffic because of a pending loss of separation.

So let's hear you thoughts on this matter... and specifically, what does your company require.

Thanks,

AUS_ATC

we are supposed to be fully comfigured and within REF+10 crossing the marker. i got hosed in GSO,( my fault still, cause i am the pilot) resulting in an ASAP report. 7000FT and 220kts 4 mile final, didnt work so well, i knew it, but tried anyways and when we tried to tell tower we needed to come around again, he was busy chit chating about something over the radio about taxiway closures and BBQ, really?