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Originally Posted by rickt86
(Post 743147)
or good timing on the economy, I am 23 and starting to get turbine time, I could do it as well if the economy BOOMED, and everyone retired, could happen in the next few years, but prol not, imagine I went to the regionals though off the bad, like alot of people have.....
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Originally Posted by FrontSeat
(Post 743373)
I was a lear captain at 23 and that was during very robust times. Hired at some great companies and a legacy etc etc. Now almost 40 3rd 121 looking at a furlough and homeless. There are pilots from my generation who did not get turbine time till almost 7 years after I was a lear captain and now they are average seniority captains at SWA. Go figure......LUCK is what counts,,,not even timing......!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 743386)
BINGO!! This industry is dumb luck.
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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
(Post 743402)
We could change that, but no one seems willing to try... :confused:
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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
(Post 743402)
We could change that, but no one seems willing to try... :confused:
Really, I want to know. |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 743466)
I cannot resist, how do you see fixing this? What is your solution?
Really, I want to know. You would still have to interview and be offered a job. You would still be on first year pay and have first year benefits (vacation, sick leave, pass privileges etc.). But for bidding purposes, your seniority would be whatever your points balance at the time of your transfer permits. The net effect is pilots would not be the ONLY group with EVERYTHING to lose when the company gets in deep financial trouble. Because of that, management always takes advantage of us, and the senior half is more than willing to take a 32.5% paycut (just to pull a number out of the air - :mad:) rather than risk shutting the place down. The junior half is ALWAYS more willing to strike, because they've got less to lose. Find a way to provide a safety net for all, and the whipsawing among pilot groups will reduce as well as the sledge hammer management has at contract time. More details via PM if you want them. |
American Airlines
1/13/2010 - 12/31/2010 0 01/01/2011 - 12/31/2011 0 01/01/2012 - 12/31/2012 5 01/01/2013 - 12/31/2013 137 01/01/2014 - 12/31/2014 205 01/01/2015 - 12/31/2015 266 01/01/2016 - 12/31/2016 251 01/01/2017 - 12/31/2017 284 01/01/2018 - 12/31/2018 358 01/01/2019 - 12/31/2019 456 01/01/2020 - 12/31/2020 546 01/01/2021 - 12/31/2021 607 01/01/2022 - 12/31/2022 659 01/01/2023 - 12/31/2023 708 01/01/2024 - 12/31/2024 722 01/01/2025 - 12/31/2025 736 01/01/2026 - 12/31/2026 707 01/01/2027 - 12/31/2027 587 01/01/2028 - 12/31/2028 496 01/01/2029 - 12/31/2029 474 01/01/2030 - 12/31/2030 410 Hired in my mid 20s, now in my later 30s.. Yes timing and LUCK have a lot to do with where we sit. Cheers, AAflyer P.S.Like another poster said, these numbers are just numbers. We currently 300 pilots over 60. We could easily see 500-1000 guys bail if the market picked up and then started to decline. Potential BK would see even more guys bail (not saying we are there), guys retiring at 62-63, a messy merger.. Many things leave these numbers hard to commit to. |
Hired at CAL when I was 30.
My dad was 30 when he got on at Hughes Air West in 1978. AMR, Braniff and Delta Turned him down. Never even considered flying at NW Orient. Never even applied...Retired Sep 07 from NWA and quite happy. Words of wisdom to spread is that the folks from TN had a good thing going....Jack Daniels is the worlds finest whiskey. Enjoy in large amounts.:D Good luck to all in the crap shoot. For those that have bad luck...the jack is on me. |
Hired at NWA in 2008 at 27, alot of luck, timing and sacrifice
all of those DAL numbers assume age 65, fact is the majority of the near term retirements are from the NWA side. A lot of those guys still have a pension left along with military retirements. The majority wont stay much past 62 if they continue past 60 at all. The movement is coming and it will be alot sooner than most think. Also a bunch of our early out guys havent even been allowed to leave yet so those numbers dont account for that either. The more the merrier!! ;) |
Ual
The below figures are based on age 60. Just add 5 years to each year. BTW, was hired at 28 after 4 years in the regionals and 2 years as a freight dog. 100% networking.
2008 - 235 2009 - 231 2010 - 201 2011 - 167 2012 - 228 2013 - 246 2014 - 239 2015 - 271 2016 - 330 2017 - 305 2018 - 383 2019 - 356 2020 - 461 2021 - 508 2022 - 503 2023 - 574 2025 - 539 2026 - 561 2027 - 407 |
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