GS should be double pay and credit for reserves. Until you break guarantee it could be paid straight pay above the guarantee. There was a precedent for something similar while negotiating the JCBA. Right now, a GS on reserve works like a line holder getting a white slip. It's straight pay.

An item that also needs to be addressed is the deadhead only day. It makes it too easy for the company to deadhead a pilot to start a trip the next day.

Wilco.... tap tap tap... copy paste... based 3.33 4-days per month with 11 hrs of duty per duty period. Thats 13.33 duty periods and 146 hours of duty time, still working off min 70 hours.

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Awesome. I make less than my carpenter or plumber.......

They've been at it 12 more years, so the ROI on being an airline pilot versus a plumber/carpenter.......

Don't do the math, it will just depress you.

Oh yeah, and he probably gets 1.5x pay for "duty" over 40hrs. in a week.

Erased due to not being on topic. Even I care bout being on topic. Just know coex payrate was $3.50/hr based on tafb. 70 hr min (65hr line), 360 tafb, $18/hr. No tips.

While I understand the point you're trying to drive at here, I think your math is a little pessimistic. Section 12.K of the PWA requires 1 hour pay for every two hours on duty. That would mean your theoretical line would be worth a minimum of 73 hours pay and credit. If you were to include the percentage of flying that is done between 2200-0600 at 1 for 1-3/4, then the pay and credit number would be even higher. The average total pay/credit (all sources incl vac, sic, GS, trng, etc) hours for active (not LTD, MLOA, etc) Delta pilots was over 1000 per pilot last year.

You're right. It was very simplistic math based on reserve pilots and not taking into account the work rules and B plan and so forth to show the true value of the contract. Its just interesting to see it so as to compare it to other hourly jobs whether you do TAFB or Duty Time.

So slow, you're right its 73 hours and then I'll tack on 12% for the B plan and that comes out to around 996 hours per year. The rates are about 18-19% higher per hour of duty time and that still does not take into account the true value of the contract. But lets just stay on the low side here, its a ballpark number for a conversation that probably should be in the Airline Pilot vs Plumber thread.

I don't have my total duty time for 2009 but based on TAFB it was $33/hr. I only fly about 600 hours a year. I know a lot of guys who've always flown near the max but somehow I'm the 600 hour guy year after year.

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Great stuff guys, keep it coming.

This one is for anyone in the know and maybe Slow knows, how come vacation is Sunday-Saturday and not say a Monday-Sunday or Friday-Thursday to provide a full weekend off? I'm sure there is a reason as there always seems to be a reason because there are too many people involved not to have a reason.

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Also, next request, if on reserve you don't lose a day off for training.

Again, not complaining. Just making suggestions as they pop in my head. Spent some time on the line with someone on a rather important committee, learned a lot.

FTB, I don't think I explained myself correctly. Take our current pay rates which equate to FLYING hour rates and ADD to them the Preflight and Post flight pay. Ex. 3 yr 767 FO pay = 100.29/hr + 50.15 (domestic preflight time of 1 hour prior to scheduled block out) or 75.22 + 25.07 (30 min post flight pay) so a 4 day trip worth 25 hrs would pay 25*100.29+50.15 (75.22 for 1.5 int'l)+25.07 = $2582.47 (7747.41 per mo, $92968.92 annually) as opposed to $2507.25 (7521.75 per mo, $90261 annually). Doesn't seem like much but it's not such a big blow say 60% and will probably slide through. It would be in addition to any other pay raise that would be negotiated not the sole basis of our pay rates. We preflight and in some case post flight for free and should be compensated for it and many other tasks we perform while not on the clock that's all I'm saying. Ideas???

FtB;

I will save Slow the trouble:

Read LOA 20. The pro ratta of days of for reserves was fixed in the MAC charter flying LOA. It give aprox 3400 more days off per year to reserve pilots.