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Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 767000)

Your friend has jumped the gun a little.

It is unclear if pilots can be forced out of their jobs at Eagle despite the resolutions passed by ALPA and AMR Eagle. An arbitrator would have to uphold that and technically it's a new interpretation of the agreement that would seem to require all 4 parties.

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Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 767000)

Is anyone at the APA aware of what Eagle ALPA has done and if so, are there any plans to object to this ?

What would their objection do with Eagle and your union forcing out pilots as part of the agreement?

The irony here is you are doing to those pilots what you claim ALPA has been doing to you for years. If you can't beat them, join them, huh?

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Originally Posted by coldpilot (Post 766920)

There are some pretty crazy ideas on this thread. Here's what I think.... All of you are on crack. I suggest you walk down to the MEC office and get set up with some rehab.

Best post on this thread!:D

AA

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Originally Posted by Jake Wheeler (Post 767164)

Maybe he did jump the gun, but he seemed pretty confident that your union was going to force those pilots to leave and create several hundred vacancies. Mixed with the new CRJ's and pilots quitting as the economy improved added up to a thousand new hires.

What would their objection do with Eagle and your union forcing out pilots as part of the agreement?

The irony here is you are doing to those pilots what you claim ALPA has been doing to you for years. If you can't beat them, join them, huh?

Because it isn't in the agreement to force them out. They have a rogue MEC at Eagle now and I wouldn't be surprised to see them recalled. There have already been talks of getting an in house union at Eagle. I would prefer that APA file a single carrier petition since it wouldn't take long at all for the decision with this new interpretation that AMR has that an Eagle pilot is already an AA pilot all these years and they have no choice but to go. It brings another question. If AMR thinks the FT is an AA pilot the day he is given his seniority then why hasn't APA represented them? This has got to be the worse LOA in the history of any airline contract. I will have to pull the arbitration on recalls in seniority order to see if AMR is now changing their position on the status of FT's with this new grievance. But back to original point, I doubt any FT's will be forced to go to AA. I have talk to several and they are telling me that it will be similar to the recall deferral rates of return when they start going down the list.

Another benefit to the single carrier petition would be that if we merge the lists in the future we wouldn't be bound by the new law Congress pass concerning mergers. As it stands now with separate unions we would not be in a good position on a merged list because of the new law. I do believe thought the current thought of a master lists bypasses that problem. I guess if I was an Eagle pilot I probably would be wondering who the MEC is representing in this endeavors.

The only way the APA will approve a single seniority list will be with Eagle at the bottom as furlough protection. To think differently is to be in denial of what the APA does for their members.

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Originally Posted by Oldfreightdawg (Post 765844)

Just Finished 737 School, the APA ORD Chair went through at the same time. He reported that AE ALPA approached APA and said "staple us to your list".

WHY? YOU ASK??? (which is what I said)

You can make fun of APA all day long about their contract proposals asking for a 50% pay increase, lower monthly max, etc, etc. But I'll tell you this: every AAL pilot will defend scope to the bitter end. Yes AE has 22 more CRJ's coming, for a total of 72 70 seater's. But we own EVERYTHING ELSE above 50 seats. What if APA signed a sweetheart deal with AMR to fly everything over 50 seats? What would happen to AE? The 50 seat market is dying.

Several weeks ago it was reported that chief pilots were roaming the terminals canvasing the pilot group and soliciting opinions about flying 100 seat jets and what we'd be willing to earn flying them. The writing is on the wall, AE was on the sale block once, it could easily go there again.

I'm not making any predictions, but there is more than one source for this rumor.

With all due repect, AA already had 100 seat jets

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Originally Posted by robthree (Post 766073)

It doesn't really matter what the pay scale for an RJ or ATR at AA would be.

Because the RJ or ATR would be at AA!

Imagine NOT having to start over after a 5-15 year 'career' at a regional. Imagine all flying being recaptured at a mainline. It puts the scope genie back in the bottle. Its worth going back to the gawd forsaken B scale to undo that mess.

Staple, fence off the AE Capt seats, (one AE capt goes to a MD FO seat, one AA FO can go to an AE Capt seat), and who's not happy?

The Eagle pilot group as a whole would lose if they did this. AE Captains take a pay CUT, and Eagle FO's with 6000 hrs in type get to babysit... Get a clue.

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Originally Posted by Beantown (Post 766118)

Ummmmmmmmmmmm....... how about the military guy who now needs to fly a ATR/ERJ for $21 bucks an hr. It would mean the end of military pilots at AA. With a large part of the AA list ex military, I don't see them allowing this to happen.

They are welcome to fly the RJ, but I heard that checkride's a B****
Quite a few mainliners and T-6ers had some trouble, just as many CFII's with 1000 hrs had. Pay commensurate with experience brother. :eek:

HA HA HA HA! I was an AE CA that quit in '99. SAME RUMORS! HA HA HA HA!

APA will NEVER! HAHAHA!

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Originally Posted by atp409 (Post 767372)

The Eagle pilot group as a whole would lose if they did this. AE Captains take a pay CUT, and Eagle FO's with 6000 hrs in type get to babysit... Get a clue.

Well, when any pilot is new to any aircraft there is an initial learning curve, and helps to have a seasoned FO. Last year I flew with a few new Captains on the 767. I really did not think I was babysitting, but more mentoring.

I am sure that is probably what you meant.

AA