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logic1 03-11-2010 04:28 AM
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Originally Posted by contrail67 (Post 775760)
EDUCATE YOURSELF....BEFORE YOU POST!!....The Lit deal was American not United....wow! Did you just climb out from under your rock?
I did not mention the name of the airline on purpose {deleted word}

Lets refrain from flaming anyone...

syd111 03-11-2010 06:38 AM
Funny whenever I make a post like that it gets taken off the site by the moderators.

Taken care of.

Sink r8 03-11-2010 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Romulus (Post 775055)
Arrogance can be deadly. Ask Captain Jacob Louis Veldhuyzen van Zanten.
A very good point. Of course, in van Zanten's case case, his flying skills allowed him to survive long enough for his ego to get to a size that eventually let slip in an error of judgement that killed him. Keep in mind Teneriffe occured before CRM was a common term.

But experienced, competent pilots don't usually become arrogant pilots.

What we are talking about here are criminally negligent pilots that don't actually know how to recover from the upset they created, the pattern of lies they used to obtain and retain a position they never deserved, and the companies that hire them, and file to weed them out.

logic1 03-11-2010 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by syd111 (Post 777126)
Funny whenever I make a post like that it gets taken off the site by the moderators.
You know your right. I apologize for the {deleted word} comment. I did not mention the name of the airline because I was not trying to cast stones at any airline in particular...thats how I should have responded the first time.

syd111 03-11-2010 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by logic1 (Post 777169)
You know your right. I apologize for the jackass comment. I did not mention the name of the airline because I was not trying to cast stones at any airline in particular...thats how I should have responded the first time.
No problem, at least you had a chance to apoligize. lol

AAflyer 03-11-2010 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by logic1 (Post 777064)
O well then.......I stand corrected. Cheif pilot....proceed into the thunderstorm.
Yup, I find chief pilots some of the most dangerous pilots in the system. They do not practice their craft. I am sure many are excellent pilots, but sitting behind a desk month after month, and flying once or twice every 4-6 weeks is dangerous.

Add the new probationary FO in the right seat and whoola! You are just asking for things to slide through the proverbial layers of swiss cheese.

AA

Lighteningspeed 03-14-2010 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by GuppyPuppy (Post 774811)
I found it quite ironic that the UAL MEC (Wendy) mentions that these regional carriers hire "minimally experienced pilots" when her company lowered the minimum qualifications to a commercial pilot certificate and 350 hours total time.

I personally know of at least a half-dozen United pilots who were hired with minimal experience in the '89-'95 time frame, some never flew anything bigger than a Duchess. None of them had turbine experience, none had any airline flying experience.

Wendy does make some good points. I think the underlying issue is that fewer intelligent young people see this as a career. Wendy's right, you get what you pay for.

GP
I was thinking about the same thing. As you probably know UAL hired people with less than 600 hours in the 1989 to 1995 time period. Like you said with no turbine time or any professional flying experience. What is Cpt. Wendy's background anyway? She might have been one of those low timers who got hired because UAL HR lady went out of her ways to hire women and low time pilots who had prior UAL connections.

Singlecoil 03-14-2010 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Stratosphere (Post 776129)
Alaska Airlines...Kinda makes sense since he had a lot of Alaska flying.
I think I've flown with him. Good dude.

crazy pills 03-14-2010 12:38 PM
Wow this takes guts to write coming from some chick who probably got hired to fly a 737 with less than ATP mins and under age 25 because through united's "internship" program to hire more women so it wouldn't get sued. How about instead of saying the the public deserves better, you should issue an apology that you gave up scope for more money giving these regionals a foot in the door.

MaxQ 03-14-2010 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by flyinpigg (Post 776644)
I know how to fix this....and it ain't scope. If Wendy and the rest of the majors would focus on pay at the regionals instead of airframes it would fix it in an instant.

If they demanded that the starting pay for any feeder working for United et al. was 30/hr and captains topped at 120/hr or whatever they thought was appropriate. Because why do Majors have regionals? COST folks! Raise the cost of farming out your work and then it doesn't make as much sense to do so. Trying to limit airframes does not work. Raise the pay man! That is the answer.
Thumbs up.
You have it figured out. It would help everyone..whether at the regional or at the mainline.


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