KiloAlpha

I noticed that it seems people who fly (or are assigned) the 757 also fly the 767; are they really that similar?

VegasBoy

The 75 and 76 share a common type rating.

KiloAlpha

Are the cockpit flows the same?

Roll Inverted and Pull

Yes, almost identical. Biggest difference...one you step down into, the other you don`t.....oh yeah, flair higher in the 76.....and of course, they don`t "feel' the same. The 75 feels like it is, a much lighter aircraft, very similar to an MD 80. The 76 reminds me of a 1011.

Ottopilot

Are they similair? Yes and no. The 767-400 is NOT similair to the rest. It has a 777 cockpit. The other 767's have similair instruments setups with the 757's. The systems are different, but you learn the flow differences. I did my training in a 767-300 simulator and now I fly the 757-200, 757-300, 767-200, and 767-400. Weird, but true. Can you say "on the job training"? A boeing is a boeing, so my 737 experience helped.

MikeB525

Whats your opinion about the 767-400 being grouped with the 75/67? Do you think it would have made more sense for Boeing to cross type the 767-400 with the 777?

Otto, at Continental what do you normally fly the most? Is the 767 the more senior one? Are the lines set up so that you only fly the 757 or 767 in a given month/week/day, etc.?

Ottopilot

The 767 is more senior because it is wide-body pay and not large-narrow pay. Plus it does some of the best overnights at CAL. While you usually do an international trip in the same type both ways: 757 or 767, you can do both in one day. Last week I flew a 767 to Houston and a 757 to LA in the same day. I'm junior, so I fly mostly the 757's. The 757-300's don't do the international flying, they go to LA, Vegas, Florida, etc. The 757-200's are doing all the Europe flying, with the 767 doing the bigger cities in Eurpope like Rome or Paris. I do mostly U.K. flying in the 757-200. This month I do a lot of LA and Vegas in the 757-300.

The 767-400 is a lot like the 777, but still a 767, so they keep it with the 757/767 type. You have to do differences training and IOE on it in addition to the 757 training. An airplane is an airplane after awhile. There was a lot of problems with flaps speeds. All the models have different flaps speeds, so you can bust limitations easy. I just look at the placard on the gauge all the time, so I don't screw it up. The 757-200 weighs 255,500lbs and the 767-400 weighs 450,000lbs, so there is a big difference.

duvie

I was under the impression that the 757-300 was widebody pay. It isn't posted that way on airlinepilotcentral but I thought I heard it somewhere.

Ottopilot

No, not at CAL.
222 or 216 seats for 757-300 = large narrow pay.
174 seats for 767-200 = wide body pay.

That's the way it is.

Ottopilot

It is "heavy". I was "268 heavy" tonight.