Add a few million $$$ to the 64... I'm in. I hope they take a good close look at Delta and how they are running the show over there. They could learn a few things.

You mean merge with another airline to become the world´s biggest? That would indeed be interesting.

I skipped a bunch of pages, but in the ones I did read, no one mentioned how many people medical out each year!

No, I mean a management team that gets it, unlike ours.

Very well put aa73. I was going to say about the same thing but you put it perfectly.

Those guys don't know what they want.

I think it goes beyond the management team that gets it. Their union is much more management-friendly and scope has been a huge giveaway to help the company.

I will say this, and I have a strong affinity for AA having been hired by them in 2001, but APA began this whole mess when B scale and scope.... they sold out the junior pilots back in the late 80's (or early 90's I forget) and that began the downward spiral of the profession.. B scale not so much, but Scope was the beginning of the end.. now the RJ's outnumber the mainline and it's only going to get worse as they re-define what an RJ is..

The bar graph pulled off aapilots.com is misleading. I know plenty of guys that don't plan on sticking around after 60 y/o. My best friend is turning 54 in June, and has been with AA since '78. He's got an ego, like all of us, so wants to go out #1 on the list, but that'll happen around his 60th.

If it doesn't, so be it. He's looking forward to retirement at 60. The market won't be in the dumper forever. There are plenty of guys that will get an oppurtunity to lateral over to a FX or a 5X or go work overseas. So for now, the graph is misleading. However, I do understand the frustrations.

Keep the faith guys! :)

With that attitude, why would you even want to return to AA? :confused:

What's attitude got to do with it? I'm just facing the facts.. It's easy for you or others in secure left seat positions to look outside and tell us to keep a stiff upper lip.. it's a whole other world for us.. Since my furlough in 2001, I've gone through 4 jobs, two with failed airlines, 1 dead end FAR 135 bottom feeder and one sold FAR 91 jet... that's life, and I'm rolling with it.

Agreed it goes into greater things than accusing the management team of being obtuse. Given their histories, I wouldn't phrase DAL ALPA or NWA ALPA as being management-friendly. More like less management-antagonistic, IMHO.

One oddity I've noticed in my career as a union airline pilot is how often pilot unions tend to resemble their management counterparts among the legacy airlines. Most regional pilot unions are too new to have a highly developed persona like their mainline brothers. Over time, I hypothesize the same thing will happen with them. If the management team is a culture of selfish and rigid egotists, then the union leadership culture will begin to follow suit. If the management culture is one of enlightened self-interest which recognizes the value of team-play, then so goes the union(s). I submit that SWAPA best resembles the latter example but will leave the former example to y'all's imagination.