What's the "Latest and Greatest" at UAL/CAL?
08-04-2010, 07:05 AM
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Sounds like Continentals MEC may be on a slippery slope if they are straying from ALPA's policy of using the merger announcement date for the snapshot. I have heard that it that happened, United's would be pushing for the original date 2 years ago.
08-04-2010, 07:10 AM
#343
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Originally Posted by Coto Pilot
Sounds like Continentals MEC may be on a slippery slope if they are straying from ALPA's policy of using the merger announcement date for the snapshot. I have heard that it that happened, United's would be pushing for the original date 2 years ago.
I hear your 'oppinion', but what has UAL's Wendy gone on record as saying???
Was pretty clear via the recorded conference call by JP, CAL's MEC Chair.
As I expressed earlier, no matter who says what, outside of the M.C. & the Arbitrator....it's all 'speculation' as to the outcome.
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08-04-2010, 07:12 AM
#344
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It is not just the CAL MEC saying this. Yes, a CAL Merger Committee member has said that the official snap has not been taken yet, but both CAL and UAL MC's are involved in these talks as we speak. I don't think one member would go on the record to say such a thing if it weren't true on both sides. Furthermore, it would just be silly to say that a snap could have been from 2 years ago. Nothing was even announced. That is as absurd as saying every single time there is a merger rumor going around, to take a snapshot of when someone's brother's cousin's dog barked about it.
08-04-2010, 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain Bligh
Not 100% sure, but I've added 10,000 shares of XJT to the 401(k) holdings.
I feel the need for a little self promoted credibility.
08-04-2010, 07:45 AM
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08-04-2010, 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by deceptibum
Furthermore, it would just be silly to say that a snap could have been from 2 years ago. Nothing was even announced.
Why not take Dec 1903 When Wilber & Orville Took Flight??
....But then again, just a "Line Pilot" here.
08-04-2010, 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain Bligh
Today was a good morning in the market. I'll quote myself from a post back in May...
I feel the need for a little self promoted credibility.
I feel the need for a little self promoted credibility.
Does this mean you have all the 'cold ones' on the next layover???
Congrats on the payout.
08-04-2010, 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by deceptibum
As per the Townhall Conference Call yesterday....The snapshot Has Not been taken yet. But, that is not to say that an arbitrator can select any date he wants to use as the snapshot date if it goes to arbitration.
Here it is from the rule book (not the old merger stuff Capt Bligh likes to quote). PID is the same as merger announcement date (2 May I believe). Remember, this is just the snap shot. Has nothing to do with the SLI but rather lays out the playing field to begin from.
And, if you want to read the whole (new) merger/frag policy, you'll see that JCBA occurs before SLI period. While both MEC's are granted latitude to have a mutual agreement to stray from the guidlines, why would they want to? Based on the tTA, the new process seems to be working.
Here's the link to the CURRENT policy manual. Alpa > Alpa Login
Frats,
Lee
3. Verification and Exchange of Employment Data
a. The merger representatives will commence the verification and updating of employment data of those flight deck crew members not previously verified and updated no later than the PID.
b. The merger representatives shall forward the individual employment data described in Part 3C 2 via certified mail, Return Receipt Requested, to each non verified and non updated flight deck crew member within twenty (20) days of the PID, provided that the merger representatives may forward such data by email, with provision for electronic return receipt, to those flight deck crew members who have designated electronic communications as their preference for receiving ALPA communications. The merger representatives shall also post such data as to all flight deck crew members on their MEC website in a manner providing for access by all flight deck crew members.
c. It is the responsibility of the individual flight deck crew member to verify or challenge the findings of the merger representatives within twenty (20) days following receipt and to support his protest, if any, by written statement of fact. In addition, such protesting member may request a hearing before the merger representatives. All such timely requests shall be granted. Any flight deck crew member may transmit such verification or challenge or request for a hearing by email, in which case the merger representatives may use email to schedule a requested hearing and advise the flight deck crew member of their decision by email.
d. The merger representatives will receive and evaluate all protests and will adjudge the validity of the claims. Their decision will be final and such decision shall be in writing and shall be forwarded to the flight deck crew member making the protest within ten (10) days following receipt or following completion of the hearing, if any, by the means outlined above.
e. Upon completion of the processes outlined above, the merger representatives shall prepare a certified Flight Deck Crew Member Seniority List which shall reflect the proper relative position of each member thereon. Such list shall contain that data described in Part 3C 2b.
f. Employment data verified as outlined above shall be exchanged no later than sixty (60) days following the PID. For purposes of this initial exchange of data, said data need not pertain to events more recent than the date of the first Company notification of intent to merge.
g. Additional employment data pertinent to the solution of integration problems shall be made available to all merger representatives.
a. The merger representatives will commence the verification and updating of employment data of those flight deck crew members not previously verified and updated no later than the PID.
b. The merger representatives shall forward the individual employment data described in Part 3C 2 via certified mail, Return Receipt Requested, to each non verified and non updated flight deck crew member within twenty (20) days of the PID, provided that the merger representatives may forward such data by email, with provision for electronic return receipt, to those flight deck crew members who have designated electronic communications as their preference for receiving ALPA communications. The merger representatives shall also post such data as to all flight deck crew members on their MEC website in a manner providing for access by all flight deck crew members.
c. It is the responsibility of the individual flight deck crew member to verify or challenge the findings of the merger representatives within twenty (20) days following receipt and to support his protest, if any, by written statement of fact. In addition, such protesting member may request a hearing before the merger representatives. All such timely requests shall be granted. Any flight deck crew member may transmit such verification or challenge or request for a hearing by email, in which case the merger representatives may use email to schedule a requested hearing and advise the flight deck crew member of their decision by email.
d. The merger representatives will receive and evaluate all protests and will adjudge the validity of the claims. Their decision will be final and such decision shall be in writing and shall be forwarded to the flight deck crew member making the protest within ten (10) days following receipt or following completion of the hearing, if any, by the means outlined above.
e. Upon completion of the processes outlined above, the merger representatives shall prepare a certified Flight Deck Crew Member Seniority List which shall reflect the proper relative position of each member thereon. Such list shall contain that data described in Part 3C 2b.
f. Employment data verified as outlined above shall be exchanged no later than sixty (60) days following the PID. For purposes of this initial exchange of data, said data need not pertain to events more recent than the date of the first Company notification of intent to merge.
g. Additional employment data pertinent to the solution of integration problems shall be made available to all merger representatives.
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