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That kind of stuff was going in in the old days. The MEC Chair at Texas International had a one-day transition to vice-president of flight operations, and that was before the Lorenzo days. Originally Posted by Captain Bligh
Accomplished? You mean getting key former union people hired into overpaid management positions as a reward for selling the rank and file less than they would have otherwise been able to negotiate?
Nobody likes the fact that two more recent members of the negotiating committee went to work for management, but those contracts were indeed approved by the MEC and a popular vote of the pilots. The most controversial contract, the concessionary one, passed by 58-42%.
In the meantime, our folks have taken voluntary leaves of absence to mitigate more furloughs and continued to fund the full cost of medical insurance for our 147 pilots already on the street. Nobody asks one's labor pedigree when soliciting our vote for such things.
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Only if your definition of "fair blending" means lawsuits... Talk about revisionist history.
If you're talking about the PEX lawsuit, it indeed successfully overturned the company-imposed list and resulted in Arbitrator Ross' award--which put the former PEX guys in their rightful proportion to the rest of the pilots.Only if your definition of "fair blending" means lawsuits... Talk about revisionist history.
Otherwise, only the Frontier guys, who did not get a fair arbitration, mounted a legal challenge. The New York Air and People Express pilots (post judge Politan) didn't. Or, perhaps you're confusing that with the litigation initiated by the Option 3 returning strikers, or the Eastern guys who sued unsuccessfully to get on our seniority list. Neither led to much.
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Now I will say my piece. I was mistaken. I thought ALPA's forgiveness of CAL scabs was a good thing for moving forward. I had even posted here, that UAL pilots needed to keep in mind that we need the scabs onboard and that they should forget and forgive too. Apparantly, I'd just been avoiding you long enough I almost forgot what your mentality is. Your few posts here nullify any good will ALPA or anyone else has sewn on your behalf. So I repent, revert and count the days you have left.
For your information, ALPA's "forgiveness" was mandated by the Order and Award, which allowed the returning strikers to come back to work. It dulled a two-edge sword. There would be no discrimination against the former strikers, nor against anybody who worked during the strike. It was further set in stone by Judge Politan's award mandating the PEX arbitration. There would be no subsequent reordering of the seniority list without court approval. That particular aspect found itself inserted into ALPA merger policy.Now I will say my piece. I was mistaken. I thought ALPA's forgiveness of CAL scabs was a good thing for moving forward. I had even posted here, that UAL pilots needed to keep in mind that we need the scabs onboard and that they should forget and forgive too. Apparantly, I'd just been avoiding you long enough I almost forgot what your mentality is. Your few posts here nullify any good will ALPA or anyone else has sewn on your behalf. So I repent, revert and count the days you have left.
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I have waited for you scumbag scabs to retire my entire career. The age 65 rule change was the last and final reward for the class of '83. I have worked countless holidays and less productive trips while you have cherry picked the flying you wanted to do from the top of all the equipment prior to differential pay, while simultaneously defecating on me for asking if there was a more fair way to allocate vacations. It continues at every bid point, every day of underpaid ground school, every loose piece of contract language, in fact, just about every undesireable aspect of this career. I am now only slightly insulated because of differential pay and the fact I have out lived most of you. I've listened to the likes of you preach how you saved the airline and that I am lucky to have a job. I've listened to your self excusing flawed logic from both the right seat and your jumpseat. I've bit my tongue in the school house knowing the retribution I would suffer at the hands of your peers for speaking my mind. WE HAVE ALL (pilots industry wide) suffered the ripple effects of your rolling over to management - suffered in virtually every aspect of this industry because of your actions way back in '83 and what you and your very small cancerous brothers set into motion.
Well, sorry for all the bad things that have come your way, but you certainly seem to be placing a lot of blame for what happened to you on a very small group of people.I have waited for you scumbag scabs to retire my entire career. The age 65 rule change was the last and final reward for the class of '83. I have worked countless holidays and less productive trips while you have cherry picked the flying you wanted to do from the top of all the equipment prior to differential pay, while simultaneously defecating on me for asking if there was a more fair way to allocate vacations. It continues at every bid point, every day of underpaid ground school, every loose piece of contract language, in fact, just about every undesireable aspect of this career. I am now only slightly insulated because of differential pay and the fact I have out lived most of you. I've listened to the likes of you preach how you saved the airline and that I am lucky to have a job. I've listened to your self excusing flawed logic from both the right seat and your jumpseat. I've bit my tongue in the school house knowing the retribution I would suffer at the hands of your peers for speaking my mind. WE HAVE ALL (pilots industry wide) suffered the ripple effects of your rolling over to management - suffered in virtually every aspect of this industry because of your actions way back in '83 and what you and your very small cancerous brothers set into motion.
In 1985, you guys were on top of the world. Those of us who worked, or returned to work, during the two-year Continental strike had nothing to do with United's failed ESOP and all the money you guys lost. Some of our folks found out about that folly when they invested in Pride Air.
It had nothing to do with economic conditions that came after 9/11, nor the bankruptcy termination of your defined benefit plan. It had nothing to do with your brother and sister pilots being on the street in numbers that top a thousand these days. It had nothing to do with that federal judge's ruling against your slowdown in 2008.
We also had comparatively little to do with the changing of the age 60 rule. As you'll recall, ALPA reversed itself and lobbied heavily for such a change on behalf of all the airline pilots who had lost their entire retirement plans. The biggest lobbying group was United's pilots, and our own John Prater courted your vote with a vengeance.
Life hasn't gone very well for the 800-pound gorilla since your ruled the zoo in the mid-1980s. Sorry about that, but if I were you, I'd look inward.
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I will most certainly be there when YOUR retirement flight blocks in, where upon I will turn my back and leave you to your legacy.
And I'm supposed to get upset about this?I will most certainly be there when YOUR retirement flight blocks in, where upon I will turn my back and leave you to your legacy.
