jdt30

I'm going to list a few things that are important to me. I hope they are important to everyone flying for the combined company.

1. Pay-Cal pilots have not been payed like a legacy pilots since Frank Lorenzo took over CAL. Now no one is payed like a Legacy Pilot. We have to fix this.

2. 50 seat scope as leverage-leverage implies that you are willing to use it to get something else. I'm not. 50 seat scope is the 11th commandment, it's written in stone.

3. 70 seat scope-I've seen people state on forums that 70 seat scope is a genie that is already out of the bottle. I disagree. I'm not one that wants to choke the golden goose, but I will choke the sh@$ out of the genie and shove his fat $## back in the bottle. It's time we take back all of our flying.

4. Work rules-I flew for the military before flying for CAL so I didn't really understand work rules. Now I fly for CAL, and I still don't. We need to fix this. I'm tired of flying with a copy of the FAR/AIM as work rule guidance.

5. Recalling all furloughs to an airline that is worth working for.

Like I stated at the begining, these are a few things that I think are extremely important. If you spell or grammar check it you will probably find errors every where, but I wrote this quickly not to prove that I'm a literary genius.

socalflyboy

Here is a list that is important to me.

Recall my A$$. Thanks. Oh yeah, keep the scope, that matters too.

jdt30

Sorry, reacalling your A$$ was implied with the addition of work rules, and tightening of scope. I'll go back and fix that.

Killer51883

i can see how managment is going to handle the new contract... you can have united pay and work rules but also united scope (70 seat or maybe more) or you can have CAL pay and work rules and CAL scope. I wonder what will win out, better pay or better job protection.

Zoomie

Concur with your analysis for the most part.

I'm not sure what exactly you were saying regarding 50 seat scope. Are you saying take it back, or it's not worth taking it back?

I was previously military as well and I didn't understand work rules before either. I now understand that having them is good and that we don't have them currently.

It's funny that people get so worked up over their seniority and being able to hold certain schedules when our contract, basically the company can take away trips from you without paying, change trips that you have to a much less desireable trip, and force you to change your days off for the month; All of this without any penalty to the company for doing so. Seniority means almost nothing when the company can just pull out an infinite supply of trump cards and do anything that's legal under FARs with absolutely no penalty whatsoever.

I hope UA guys are ready to return back to their jobs at United, because when we get CALs scope in the new JCBA we're going to have to start recalling, and then when 2012 comes around we're gonna be looking towards those regional guys that lost their jobs flying 70 seat A/C. They can have them back at higher pay and benefits. How does that sound?

Zoomie

As it stands, CAL currently has better pay and better scope. Work rules are better at UA however it's hard to compare intangibles like work rules unless you actually work under them.

jdt30

Scope is not for sale. I would acually like any airplane with the United name and CAL livery to be flown by our (UAL, CAL) pilots.

contrail67

I would not even consider the CAL pay, and even though it "appears" to be better than United, there is a contract that is in place out there that in my opionion will be the minimum expectation +20% for pay rates only......(DAL) Without their scope language. We will develop our own restricted scope.

And one thing that MUST happen is to protect our 5-10 year pilots (the majority of the 1400) that are on furlough. It will not be acceptable to put them at the bottom of the list...they should not be put under the bus for this merger to happen.

jdt30

I really don't want to discuss the SLI here. That is a hornets nest that can be kicked later. Let's fight the company and win first, then we can hammer the SLI out amongst ourselves.

Concerning pay, I agree. CAL pay may look better if you look just at the hourly rate, but if you look at total cockpit costs or at W-2s I bet UAL might actually be ahead of us. It all comes back to work rules, not just hourly rate.

floydbird

Scope, Scope, Scope, and then everything else....doesn't matter what other goodies are in the contract if the jobs don't exist.