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Old 12-18-2008, 12:25 PM
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Seriously, not a flame question...

If and when Mesa goes TU, will you honor a national seniority list if ALPA puts one out?
If your airline gets some of Mesa's airplanes after they go broke are you going to let Mesa pilots work those airplanes? Be intergrated on your seniority list? Or are we going to let those pilots start at the bottom again?

I ask because....
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Old 12-18-2008, 12:33 PM
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Should we do that for the Aloha guys that GO put out of business? I don't think thats how the game is played. Sorry, just my .02

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Old 12-18-2008, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by seafeye View Post
Seriously, not a flame question...

If and when Mesa goes TU, will you honor a national seniority list if ALPA puts one out?
If your airline gets some of Mesa's airplanes after they go broke are you going to let Mesa pilots work those airplanes? Be intergrated on your seniority list? Or are we going to let those pilots start at the bottom again?

I ask because....
A national seniority list should be a must. This is the only profession in which we are forced to work for a company that treats us bad. I did first year pay once and thats it for me. I will not go sideways and take first year sh*t pay again. This is definitely benefiting the company because they can treat you like crap and it would take a lot for a guy to quit. No other professional career would they ever ask you to start at first year wages again.

The airlines suck and the only thing that makes guys go to the airlines is big shiny jet syndrome and the possibility that 20 years from now they will make more money. No retirement anymore thats worth a crap. My advice to any new pilot is get a degree in something else that pays well. ALPA and the airlines and pilots have ruined this profession.
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Old 12-18-2008, 12:55 PM
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Is mesa going TU? Something you know?
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Old 12-18-2008, 12:59 PM
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Seriously, that is a flame question.
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Old 12-18-2008, 01:05 PM
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Sounds like a good idea, but starting with mesa is not...

After the scorched-earth campaign that OJ has waged across the industry in the last decade (eagerly enabled by 51% of MAG pilots) the idea of honoring their seniority post-liquidation is laughable.

The only way for this to work is if a punch of pilot groups agree IN ADVANCE OF CRISIS to do this...kind of like insurance. Nobody is going to let you buy into their flood insurance pool the day the river reaches the top of the levy.

Now is not the time to make such an agreement...some companies are obviously in worse shape than others.

BTW, ALPA would never have the guts to propose anything of this sort...it would be bound to offend some dues payers.
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Old 12-18-2008, 01:16 PM
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This is silly, and what I would consider an inflammatory post.

Mesa is NOT going "teats up" (I doubt it will let me say the real word for T, haha) anytime soon.

Hey OP... why don't you go read the thread "A Call for Professional Airline Pilots" or whatever that thread was called.
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Old 12-18-2008, 01:23 PM
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Sorry Mesa, go to the bottom but a NSL is a good idea that will never happen. There are just way to MANY issues that must be resolved and I feel they’ll never be able to get all three parties on the same page; Government, Employer and Pilot.

No offense but unless Mesa's purchased and merged, your fate should be no different than the rest of the unfortunate……….Braniff, ATA, Aloha, MaxJet, CAT, Skyway, Chicago Express, ACA, Big Sky, all furloughees and etc.
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Why would I want that?
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Old 12-18-2008, 02:09 PM
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The day we get a national seniority list is the day we all vote on national works rules and good equipment payscales. Then and only then will ALPA be able to run like a Union and not an Organization
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