Will you help out Mesa...National Seniority list?
12-18-2008, 11:25 AM
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Will you help out Mesa...National Seniority list?
Seriously, not a flame question...
If and when Mesa goes TU, will you honor a national seniority list if ALPA puts one out?
If your airline gets some of Mesa's airplanes after they go broke are you going to let Mesa pilots work those airplanes? Be intergrated on your seniority list? Or are we going to let those pilots start at the bottom again?
I ask because....
If and when Mesa goes TU, will you honor a national seniority list if ALPA puts one out?
If your airline gets some of Mesa's airplanes after they go broke are you going to let Mesa pilots work those airplanes? Be intergrated on your seniority list? Or are we going to let those pilots start at the bottom again?
I ask because....
12-18-2008, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by seafeye
Seriously, not a flame question...
If and when Mesa goes TU, will you honor a national seniority list if ALPA puts one out?
If your airline gets some of Mesa's airplanes after they go broke are you going to let Mesa pilots work those airplanes? Be intergrated on your seniority list? Or are we going to let those pilots start at the bottom again?
I ask because....
If and when Mesa goes TU, will you honor a national seniority list if ALPA puts one out?
If your airline gets some of Mesa's airplanes after they go broke are you going to let Mesa pilots work those airplanes? Be intergrated on your seniority list? Or are we going to let those pilots start at the bottom again?
I ask because....
The airlines suck and the only thing that makes guys go to the airlines is big shiny jet syndrome and the possibility that 20 years from now they will make more money. No retirement anymore thats worth a crap. My advice to any new pilot is get a degree in something else that pays well. ALPA and the airlines and pilots have ruined this profession.
12-18-2008, 12:05 PM
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Sounds like a good idea, but starting with mesa is not...
After the scorched-earth campaign that OJ has waged across the industry in the last decade (eagerly enabled by 51% of MAG pilots) the idea of honoring their seniority post-liquidation is laughable.
The only way for this to work is if a punch of pilot groups agree IN ADVANCE OF CRISIS to do this...kind of like insurance. Nobody is going to let you buy into their flood insurance pool the day the river reaches the top of the levy.
Now is not the time to make such an agreement...some companies are obviously in worse shape than others.
BTW, ALPA would never have the guts to propose anything of this sort...it would be bound to offend some dues payers.
After the scorched-earth campaign that OJ has waged across the industry in the last decade (eagerly enabled by 51% of MAG pilots) the idea of honoring their seniority post-liquidation is laughable.
The only way for this to work is if a punch of pilot groups agree IN ADVANCE OF CRISIS to do this...kind of like insurance. Nobody is going to let you buy into their flood insurance pool the day the river reaches the top of the levy.
Now is not the time to make such an agreement...some companies are obviously in worse shape than others.
BTW, ALPA would never have the guts to propose anything of this sort...it would be bound to offend some dues payers.
12-18-2008, 12:16 PM
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This is silly, and what I would consider an inflammatory post.
Mesa is NOT going "teats up" (I doubt it will let me say the real word for T, haha) anytime soon.
Hey OP... why don't you go read the thread "A Call for Professional Airline Pilots" or whatever that thread was called.
Mesa is NOT going "teats up" (I doubt it will let me say the real word for T, haha) anytime soon.
Hey OP... why don't you go read the thread "A Call for Professional Airline Pilots" or whatever that thread was called.
12-18-2008, 12:23 PM
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Sorry Mesa, go to the bottom but a NSL is a good idea that will never happen. There are just way to MANY issues that must be resolved and I feel they’ll never be able to get all three parties on the same page; Government, Employer and Pilot.
No offense but unless Mesa's purchased and merged, your fate should be no different than the rest of the unfortunate……….Braniff, ATA, Aloha, MaxJet, CAT, Skyway, Chicago Express, ACA, Big Sky, all furloughees and etc.
No offense but unless Mesa's purchased and merged, your fate should be no different than the rest of the unfortunate……….Braniff, ATA, Aloha, MaxJet, CAT, Skyway, Chicago Express, ACA, Big Sky, all furloughees and etc.
12-18-2008, 01:09 PM
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The day we get a national seniority list is the day we all vote on national works rules and good equipment payscales. Then and only then will ALPA be able to run like a Union and not an Organization
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