National Seniority Protocol
09-02-2008, 06:09 PM
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National Seniority Protocol
AIR LINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION, INTERNATIONAL
102ND REGULAR EXECUTIVE BOARD MEETING
September 9-10, 2008
SUBJECT
National Seniority Protocol
SOURCE
UAL MEC
BACKGROUND INFORMATION
See proposed resolution.
PROPOSED RESOLUTION
WHEREAS the Air Line Pilots Association has been at the forefront of pilot labor representation in the airline industry since 1931, and has consistently been the champion of safety protocols that assure our passengers have the safest transportation system possible, and
WHEREAS the 77 year history of ALPA is replete with examples of bold decisions made by ALPA leaders in order to assure that measures, necessary to protect the economic bargaining rights and professional interests of its members, have been instituted and that the best interests of the profession have been secured, and,
WHEREAS opportunities to make significant and enduring policy changes that enhance the professional opportunities of every ALPA member come along rarely and are often precipitated by industry destabilizing events like those brought to bear on ALPA members with The Airline Deregulation Act of 1978, the September 11th acts of war, the bankruptcy era, and the current manipulated inflation of the price of petroleum, and
WHEREAS the most unfulfilled professional benefit, recognized by all airline pilots and by ALPA members specifically, is the lack of a policy, derived from fundamental union principals, that enables and enforces the individual members’ ability to transfer their seniority, longevity, and operational experience as professionals from one airline employer to another, thereby allowing a manipulation of their entire career path by the actions of the very same capitalist cabal whose fundamental goal is to limit, degrade and minimize the essential role of pilots to the airline industry, and
WHEREAS parochial company loyalty, historically embraced by ALPA pioneers of previous eras, has been perverted and used against ALPA members as a capitalist leveraging tool that stifles the inherent right of professional pilots to collectively negotiate an economically sound and stable ratio of pay and work rules for identical job responsibilities using the continual underlying threat of losing the earned seniority benefits derived from their professional longevity at a particular airline while being compared to the economics of another airline (whipsawing), and
WHEREAS the fundamental principal of national seniority does not conflict with the current or future job prospects of pilots but instead extends a common system of advancement to be used at every ALPA carrier and bonds all ALPA pilots to the profession instead of to an individual airline; a national seniority list would assure a logical and rational adherence to a measurable, protected status of those pilots from a commonly defined starting point in their professional careers regardless of how many airlines may exist, regardless of the skill and economic acumen of the managements that run them, and regardless of the transient political influence of the day, and
WHEREAS the career security of any pilot who was able to transfer his seniority to another air carrier would liberate ALPA pilots and forever eliminate the ability of management to whipsaw or erode ALPA unity based on loss of job threats, economic fear or arbitrary merger awards, based on a perceived surviving carrier analogy, thus enabling ALPA to negotiate wages and work rules at all airlines based on the pilots’ collective evaluation of their true contribution and economic value to an air carrier,
THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the Executive Board acknowledges this historic and momentous opportunity in time when several key air carrier contract amendable dates are so closely aligned, and which could be coordinated as part of this undertaking, that will launch a historic, new career security protocol for all ALPA pilots and by design, realign the true interests and career expectations of every pilot represented by ALPA both now and in the future, and
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the development of a national seniority protocol be assigned to a select National Seniority Committee (NSC) consisting of the President of ALPA; one pilot from each represented pilot group within group A, to be appointed by the Master Chairman of each MEC of the group; and one pilot representing each group designation: B1, B2, B3, B4 and C, each of whom shall be appointed by a consensus of the MEC Master Chairmen from each of the pilot groups represented within a classification; for a total of 11 members, and
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the National Seniority Committee will establish a single national seniority protocol that will be used to establish two separate lists reflecting the Canadian ALPA pilots and the United States ALPA pilots, and
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the protocol for an ALPA national seniority list will be developed by the NSC under a rigid timeline with a specific date for completion in 2009, and using a simple and transparent methodology that defines a starting point common to all professional air line pilots from which all seniority benefits and longevity will derive, and,
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that without discrimination to any pilot, the NSC will set and fix a methodology recognizing “benchmarks of career achievement” with associated “exercise rights” in order to minimize unrealistic windfalls/detriments to any pilot unless and until those common benchmarks have been met, regardless of whether the benchmarks have been achieved at an ALPA carrier or not, and
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that upon completion of the protocol, the NSC will present a single, unified explanation of the developed protocol to all ALPA members, and all other represented professional pilot groups, using all available communication tools before preferably submitting the NSC proposal for ALPA-wide membership ratification, Roll Call by the governing body, or the applicable rules as stipulated in the ALPA Constitution and By Laws, and
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that upon adoption as ALPA policy by the proper authorizing internal ALPA mechanisms, the national seniority protocol will be enforced as of that date and no ALPA Collective Bargaining Agreement will be signed by the President of the Association without full inclusion of this policy as a part thereof.
09-02-2008, 06:24 PM
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thank you United MEC! this is one way of making ALPA the Union of choice for airline Pilots...this would be the kiss of death to teamsters & USAPA...but be very beneficial to all pilots of the system...and i could go to the carrier of my choice without significant pay loss!
wish to see this at National level!
wish to see this at National level!
09-02-2008, 06:50 PM
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I think a national senority list is a wonderful idea and much needed.
However what happens to a pilot with Airline A for 10 years and Airline B closes their doors and their pilots get on with Airline A. Should those new pilots jump ahead of the 10 year Airline A pilot if they have more time in national senority.
Should pilots be allowed to leap frog over pilots at a new airline over pilots who have been with that airline for years, perhaps since the start of that airline?
Just some thoughts, although I think some form of a national senority is great. Nobody should have to relive 1st year FO pay more than twice.
However what happens to a pilot with Airline A for 10 years and Airline B closes their doors and their pilots get on with Airline A. Should those new pilots jump ahead of the 10 year Airline A pilot if they have more time in national senority.
Should pilots be allowed to leap frog over pilots at a new airline over pilots who have been with that airline for years, perhaps since the start of that airline?
Just some thoughts, although I think some form of a national senority is great. Nobody should have to relive 1st year FO pay more than twice.
09-02-2008, 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by FresnoPilot08
is their any way that this could pass?
I think that this endeavor will take just as long of a time period as that.
Cheers and the best of luck in that quagmire.
09-02-2008, 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by The Juice
I think a national senority list is a wonderful idea and much needed.
However what happens to a pilot with Airline A for 10 years and Airline B closes their doors and their pilots get on with Airline A. Should those new pilots jump ahead of the 10 year Airline A pilot if they have more time in national senority.
Should pilots be allowed to leap frog over pilots at a new airline over pilots who have been with that airline for years, perhaps since the start of that airline?
Just some thoughts, although I think some form of a national senority is great. Nobody should have to relive 1st year FO pay more than twice.
However what happens to a pilot with Airline A for 10 years and Airline B closes their doors and their pilots get on with Airline A. Should those new pilots jump ahead of the 10 year Airline A pilot if they have more time in national senority.
Should pilots be allowed to leap frog over pilots at a new airline over pilots who have been with that airline for years, perhaps since the start of that airline?
Just some thoughts, although I think some form of a national senority is great. Nobody should have to relive 1st year FO pay more than twice.
Maybe this should only be for longevity pay purposes?
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