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Guys, UAL and CAL, the above says it all. I'm on the street...don't like it, but I ain't crying. I'm gonna find a different way regardless of the merger and SLI. HOWEVER, Tilton is still there, and he will eat your lunch. YOU want to do all the furloughees a favor...kick those sons a b@#%hes in the collective testimicles and get on with your lives. This bickering about who has got what and who deserves what is a WASTE! DEFEAT THE REAL ENEMY, Please.

Over and OUT! CC

Just found this on an old thread while looking for something else, but it shows that the arbitrators for the DAL/NWA SLI didn't use the date of corporate announcement or the Date of corporate closure, they pick a different date altogether....

Just food for thought...

This is a great post. Let me assure you that most of us on the CAL side agree with you 100%. Don't let what you read on the forum make you think otherwise.

As for the vote comment- both MEC's have to agree to send it to their respective pilot groups. 1 says no, no vote. Then yes, it will be a majority vote of 11000-ish pilots to ratify. Once ratified, SLI can then begin. Yes that is ratified.

Back to the contract - I have total faith in our MEX and negotiating committee. I'm not drinking the cool aid, I trust them and I get straight answers. I think the 2 negotiating committees is more power and knowledge. Although I am more an optimist, but hey someone has to be.

You don't think CAL Pilots have ever seen anything like Glenn Tilton??? Ever heard of a guy named Frank Lorenzo? CAL has been there and back. Welcome aboard..... This will be interesting to say the least.

I'm a furloughed A320 UAL pilot. Average age in my newhire class over 10 years ago was 38. Average experience (professional or military) was 15 years. I'm sitting on 16,000 hours and a half a dozen types. As far as the airbus being "ratted out", probably the best plane I've flown.
Big picture, I've paid alpa dues for 23 years, have you?
Ignoring at least our longevity will destroy any unity going into the future.

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Ah, the 500 hour wonders at UA.

First, UA didn't want them and when they ****ed on the EEOCs shoes got them rammed down their throat with an order from the govt.

Many have been eliminated over the course of time and many became fine pilots.

As to your estimation of aircraft orders and their impact on SLI, I think some research on your part is due. Take a look at their weight given in previous SLIs.

The real issue will be the addition of longevity as a point of consideration in the SLI process. This was obviously added for a valid reason.

Remember, no pilot will loose their current flying position as a result of the SLI. They will however perhaps see a negative seniority percentage integration if longevity is weighted significantly in the process and deal with that if/when bumps occur downstream as management tweeks the new airline.

Personally, I'm interested to see how it all turns out. I believe it will go to arbitration and with the new longevity provision will result in a new baseline given the lack of precedent.

Lee

At least now there's an alternative. Whichever group is maddest can become the second MEC in USAPA's storied history.

PIPE

Speedtape there were plenty of low time pilots hired at United because of the EEOC, but like you, I didn't get on until I had over 10,000 hours and numerous types. I am certain that Continental has examples of both as well.

We do. Some of those chickies are hot!