Vision Airlines
 

Any body have any recent information about Vision Airlines? Looks like they are taking applications but don't provide any real information. Friend of mine ran across their website and sent me the website. Any help?

EMPLOYMENT

We have a few 737s, 767s, and some Dorniers, whatever that is, lol.
I heard they interviewed some guys for the 737 recently. If offered a job, I would seriously think about it. You will have no life.

What are the schedules like,QOL, pay, benefits?

I have 15 days off this bid in MIA. QOL is ok if you live in base otherwise its very hard commuting. Pay is low, FO 35/hour CA 85/hour, 80 hour guarantee. As for benefits, there are none.

I could see that for the Dornier Jets, but are there people that will fly a 737 for less money than my regional is/was paying for RJ's? I shudder at the thought of someone flying a 767 for that rate. Seriously, there's a pilot out there that thinks the 767 time in their logbook is going to lead to a great paying job when they have already demonstrated the willingness to work for nothing?

They are probably furloughed or unemployed. Actually I would be willing to bet my left nut that they are. Other wise why would you go and fly a 737 or 767 for 35 dollars an hour and "no benefits"?

Our boeing pilots are ex ATA, furloughed United, Continental, and Flexjet. A few senior pilots from the turboprops have come over to the boeing operation as well.

Your probably right, I am furloughed and am starting to feel a little desperate to find a job. I am just a furloughed regional guy with a military airborne operations background that keeps running into dead ends in the pilot field, typical for a regional pilot.

Thanks for all the input guys. I would commute for the job, but not sure if my qualifications are even good enough for these guys. Its just that bad in our economy currently.

Thanks

Airborne

Even so, you don't really have to go fly a 767 for a CRJ salary there are other options for hanging your hat until the recall, a LOT more profitable options.

" I am just a furloughed regional guy with a military airborne operations background that keeps running into dead ends in the pilot field, typical for a regional pilot."

There are regional jet contracts that will pay you 10 to 12K a month

Good luck if you are not current, been there tried that and my 6000 Pic EMB145 means nothing if you are not current.

That is the key to all employment these days. "Current and Qualified" ... Nevertheless, sooner or later companies with this requirement will have to start paying for training if they want to expand.

Which is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.... I mean back in the day, when the normal route to the right seat was thru a 2-5 year stint sitting sideways, how much flight currency do you think those pilots had? Or what about the military guy who gets a 3 year desk job, or the furloughed pilot who gets a recall after years? Currency is just a way to save money for airlines.... nothing to do with hiring quality crew.

Don't ask, don't tell
 

That information is classified. But there are rumors.....;)

Currency is starting to worry me. On unemployment I cant afford to rent a C-172 every couple of weeks and pay the mortgage at the same time. Yet it appears many regional airlines want to see some flying in the past 30, 60 and 90 day periods. My CFI expired a long time ago and frankly I didn't renew it because I could not look a student in the eye and promise that their will be a demand for pilots in the future. ( I hope I was wrong) ....oh well, I think
I was being honest then but there are many levels of honesty by different people.

I will just continue to sit back and see what happens next in this crazy industry.:D- I hope reputable regionals begin to hire soon though.

Me thinks that's a bit of an oxymoron ..

If you're going to go back to your furlough airline, even if you find a job right now at a regional or wherever, then why does it matter if you find a job in the first place? Other than you get more time in the log book. Just wait it out. If don't care about going back, then you have to buy a block time at the local FBO and get current.

I would prefer not to go back to Mesa.....But if I had to I guess I would. I want to hold out for something better but I doubt muck movement is going to happen anytime soon. There is no shortage of pilots looking for work right now (no shortage ever), many of them with thousands more hours than me.

I applied at the beginning of April. No word.

The pay rates and zero benifits listed in this thread by the two 737 pilots are for part-time status pilots only.

I've sent a good half dozen resumes over the past year and I haven't heard anything either.

Ya, same here. I've applied twice in about six months and still nothing.

Try having 3000 hours in the B737 and still nothing. Haven't flown the 73 in over a year, but I flew a 172 yesterday! Reinstated my CFI after 13 years..... yippee.

I've stopped trying to figure out what these HR people are looking for!!

textransplant - Plenty of jobs around for people with your experience if you are willing to relocate. Lots of corporate outfits in Middle East and Asia looking for Embraer crew.

Here's one I found.......

Tianjin Airlines - EMB-145 Captains
Domicile: Tianjin, China
Requires: 500 hrs PIC in type, 3,000 hours total time, Age under 53 years old
Compensation: $8,900 to $9,400 USD/month
30 days paid personal leave per year
$106,800 to $112,800 USD/year
Contract Term: 2 years (renewable)

Incorrect. The pay rates are accurate and I repeat we get NO benefits worth anything.

thanks, I will look into that. It has been years last time I did. :o

PM me when u decide to join so i can get credit for recruiting...

try something different
 

Look under WWW.NGA.MIL, and look for aeronautical...they are hiring.


AWACS

Just remember not to fly Spirit struck work or else life will not be so easy in the flying community.

not a single pilot here would, period !

Glad to hear it Tex. I have met a few of you in my years, 1st time way back when you guys started the service to mesa williams gateway, and you always seem to be a stand up group. If this is true and none of you are even willing to fly our routes, I will gladly buy you a beer anytime.

Thank you Sir! The whole pilot profession thanks you as well. Same goes here regarding Bored's offer;)

It's Not Us That Make These "Rules"
 

Stupid...........but nonetheless true. And I agree it has NOTHING to do with the hiring of quality crews; it's a HR thing, again, screen ya out!

First, you cannot compare hiring and "career" progression with even 5 years ago. HR will do virtually every trick in their book to cull the numbers and currency is just one of several ways they do it. Of course, when the economy returns, the boot is on the other foot.

Case in point. Ten years ago, I was unemployed for a long time, obtained WIA funds to get a new rating and became current. Did that increase my marketability? Not really, just got another rating. Applied to all those companies operating that type (and more) as I also had good time in type and on paper was competitive. For 14 months NOTHING bit and then, I was no longer current. Went overseas to fly something I had NO time AND NO RATING on. Guess what? No problem and in the ensuing 2-3 years flew 3 DIFFERENT types. So, agree 100%, currency, like hours, does not maketh the pilot necessarily!:eek:

Now, I'm going through the EXACT same scenario again.....yes, stupid but you cannot control what an airline HR dept does...........there is NO rhyme nor reason. They either like you or not............

With all the more experienced pilots, who have lots of jet PIC and 73 and up time, you might be too experienced if you know what I mean. Might be looking for someone who doenst have the experience and to them this job would be a step further. And doesnt know how to be treated.

What are the requirements to be an FO?

I totally agree with you, it's just frustrating to see pilot hiring in the hands of a bunch of HR chicks.. I can still remember talking to old timers who flew at the likes of Eastern, Pan AM, TWA, etc back in the day when the entire hiring process was in the hands of the pilots... more over those airlines back in the day were themselves run by pilots or at least airplane/airline enthusiasts.. men like Juan Trippe, Howard Hughes, Bob Six, et al... then came the bankers and bean-counters and we're now all just another "Employee number" and on par with the ramper or gate agent ..

Change isn't always a good thing.. when will people wake up to this fact?

sad.

HR CHicks
 

When HR is doing the interview it feels more like being on the Dating Game instead of being evaluated as a pilot.

Question: Pilot number 2; When you fly do you like to use both hands or only one?

Skyhigh

Where are the 737 pilots based? I spoke to the cp a few weeks back and was told i would be competitive for the 737 FO. I have no 737 time and no turbine pic. Could someone with the inside info please pm me as i have alot of questions about this place.

Cheers!

CEFO

How is Vision doing? Two daily flights from ATL to SDF starting in DEC and more flights from Florida to come. Sounds like they're having trouble finding charter customers so they're making their own charters? :confused: