A320fumes

For me, I return make $108/hr as a 6th year 757/767 F/O @ 40% in EWR with 1,300 pilots under me as F/O at a company that hold's to 50 seat Scope and has more than 60 new aircraft on order in the next 3 years; Less than 300 numbers from 737 CA, my position this time last year, on an independant CAL Sr List. I can live with that.

What if it does happen? My Sr list includes 1,441 furloughed guys who think they should rightfully be sr to me because of their great career expectations at UAL.

As far as career expectations go, I hope we can get an industry leading CBA and rule the world. If a single CAL pilot rests jr to a single furloughed UAL pilot........let's just go our separate ways and deal with our own separate career expectations.

Just interested in what CAL/UAL pilots think. Will you be better off if the merger attempt works or fails?

SOTeric

Heres what I think. With all the money on the table do you REALLY believe your 108 an hour or x% seniority has any bearing on merger approval? Do you?

Get over yourself and what you think your career expectations are in May of 2010. Its irrelevant.

REAL Pilot

Bullseye, I am glad somebody can see the forest for all the trees.

Carpe Diem

Ottopilot

He never said his status had anything to do with merger approval. He simply stated that he would be fine without the merger. He also asked for others opinons on the TOPIC (see thread title). I agree with him. I'd be better off without the merger, and will hope it fails.

Fritzthepilot

I'm starting to well up with tears as I walk down memory lane regarding my airline.

When I started there was......"you have won the lottery ticket," massive hiring, pilots leaving Fed Ex/SWA/UPS/Delta to fly at my airline, 2.5-3 year Captain bids, wide body bids while still on probation, shiny new planes, the Delta dot (thx Delta), flight attendants in my age bracket, and the deli cart over Mono Lake.

In reality, the only important thing in your career is retirement. Everything else is gravy.

Not to sound crass, but the merger train is more than likely coming through the tunnel. Dwelling on your current prospects will not serve you well since those prospects can and will change in a minute. Wait until you set the brake for the last time, go home, sit down with a good single malt scotch and cigar, and then dwell what if.

A320fumes

It's quite relevant to me and my family. On the 1st of the month I expect around 80 hours pay at a modest $108/hr. Not great beacause it was $155/hr at this time last year, and would be $155/hr this time next year, barring a merger with UAL. I've also got 1/3 of the CAL Sr list below me, and a lack-luster contract that restricts rj flying to 50 seats.

No need to get over myself. I know that CAL's contract sux because I made more as an A-320 f/o in 2001, than I made as a 737 CA last year. I simply pose the question because, quite frankly, I don't see how a furloughed UAL 1999 hire has a better career than I do. Please educate me.

Dicecal

Some arbitrator will ultimately decide. However, ALPA merger policy was changed after the USAir debacle to include the following, in no order of priority:

The merger representatives shall carefully weigh all the equities inherent in their merger situation. In joint session, the merger representatives should attempt to match equities to various methods of integration until a fair and equitable integrated seniority list is reached. Factors to be considered in constructing a fair and equitable integrated seniority list, in no particular order and with no particular weight, shall include but not be limited to the following:

§ Career expectations.
§ Longevity.
§ Status and category.

Longevity was not included in the previous ALPA merger policy. (USAir/AWA)

Fritzthepilot

Dicecal,

Correct me if i'm wrong, but the latest merger criteria wasn't in place for and was implemented after DAL/NWA.

Free Bird

There were really only minor differences on the US/AW and the DAL/NWA seniority list. Essentially, they were both relative seniority decisions by the arbitrators. With another 2 ALPA carriers merging you will get CLOSE to the same, minus some differences.

The UAL merger may hurt CAL guys in the near term, but I think long term is in your best interest.

Good luck to all.

Blockoutblockin

The UAL merger may hurt the UAL guys in the near term, but I think long term is in your best interest.

Good luck to all.