ranger3484

I thought I had the MLOA thing wired but maybe not. For several months I didn't put in a MLOA until after my schedule came out. Once I did receive my schedule I would try to work my military around my Delta reserve days. If I had to drop some days I'd see that my PROJ (projected I think) hours would be decreased about 3 hours for each day missed. All made perfect sense.

That said, I put in my MLOA for June way before the bid period for that month. When my June schedule came out it indeed honored my MLOA request. However it also gave me a PROJ of 65.20 with 17 reserve days on. Does this mean I won't get guarentee of 70 hours per month? I know June only has 30 days in it but I thought we were still entitled to 18 days of work and only 12 days off. If your MLOA request is in before the bid period isn't Delta required to still build you a reserve scheudle that still provides for the normal 18 days of work?

Finally, I notice that when days are dropped for MLOA my raw score goes up. Anybody know why?

Ranger

130drvr

could you explain raw score for the layman? thanks

hockeypilot44

It's a formula used to assign reserve trips. The higher your raw, the less likely you are to get assigned trips. Your raw goes up as you fly trips. The raw takes into account reserve days remaining also. The idea is for every single reserve to fly at guarantee before any reserve breaks guarantee. The raw score lets them do this.

reddog25

Yep, that's why I never put in MLOA until my sched comes out. You won't be paid your min guarantee as your min guarantee has been downward adjusted for the days of ML...........You are given credit for ML, though no pay

Mudhendrvr

If you place your MLOA dates in before the bid, it will decrease your reserve guarantee (PROJ is how it is displayed, I believe) if one of the "awarded" reserve days falls on that day. If it does not, then you do not lose that dayThe hours it "costs" you is 3.8 per mil leave day (which is 30/18). The system basically pays you that amount of time per day and if you drop that day, you lose that pay. If you place your MLOA before the bid, it also reduces your ALV since you will not be available to fly for those days. Hope that helps. The PWA has a section on MLOA and how it will affect you. I don't remember the section, but it would be worthwhile to read it.

ranger3484

That sounds like what's happening. Is that legal? I thought the purpose of putting in MLOA pre bid was such that scheduling can work around your MLOA days and still give you guarantee. I suppose if you were a line holder and dropped 2 days the entire month they'd be able to still build you a REG line. However, if you dropped multiple days, at some point they'd be unable to build you a line withing the line construction window. Perhaps it's to make RES MLOA fair with REG MLOA. A reserve guy could easily still get his days. Instead, I get penalized. I don't think I will pre-drop (MLOA) again.

Ranger

Gunfighter

As a lineholder, submitting MLOA pre month will reduce your LCW. The formula used is ALV/30 (or 31) for each day of MLOA.

If you want a full schedule, ask for days off as a top priority in PBS and then drop a trip if you can't build a Guard/Reserve schedule around it. There isn't a way to get a full schedule with pre month mil leave.

On a positive side, I've seen PBS build a line with a lower LCW rather than award a reserve line because of mil leave. When PBS gets to the bottom of the list of line holders, there may not be enough trips left to build a full line, but a lower credit line is possible.

SaltyDog

Ranger,
USERRA discrimination law says that service should not be used against you. Employer not required to work around our service unless your contract requires this better than USERRA treatment. OTOH, USERRA says notification only required if going to miss work (employment).

At my employer, prebid military notification information is always used against the employee and leads to contractual violations. It is rarely beneficial to the employee to notify an airline of military duty before a schedule is known.

Your situation is but another industry example of how early notification information is used against the employee to company advantage. The easiest solution is simply wait till one has a defined work schedule, then work to move the conflicts per the contract, and if unable, drop military notification only on the days that must be dropped for military.

reddog25

What he said! I'm scheduled for a LONG exercise in July....but I'll wait till I actually have the orders in my hand to notify DAL

Philly

Ranger,
I believe you are looking at it wrong. What I mean is that if DAL built you a full 18 day schedule, they would be effectively forcing you perform your mil duty on your days off which they cannot. I think the logic is that they are trying to comply by giving you a sort of "work credit" for each day of duty you perform for the gov't. Said another way, Since the employer can't force you to work for Uncle Sam only on your days off, they have to credit you some DAL time i.e. lowering your alv (sort of), number of reserve days required etc.
The only way to get the full 70 guarantee and work the reserve on top is to put in for no MLOA before the bid closes and work your military duty in between your DAL sched without dropping any days. I often do this to the ire of my better half. 18 days at DAL and 6 at the Reserve unit means 6 total days off in the month assuming DAL is 100% same-day commutable (doesn't happen for me). YMMV.
Best...Philly