Delta Sells Compass and Mesaba
07-10-2010 | 03:03 PM
#381
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Like I have said before the CPS president has stated that he wants to keep the flow, but unless I have missed something nothing public has been stated by anyone in Delta Management.
So first, we need to determine in there is even an "IF" before we talk about the what.
So first, we need to determine in there is even an "IF" before we talk about the what.
07-10-2010 | 03:51 PM
#383
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Like I have said before the CPS president has stated that he wants to keep the flow, but unless I have missed something nothing public has been stated by anyone in Delta Management.
So first, we need to determine in there is even an "IF" before we talk about the what.
So first, we need to determine in there is even an "IF" before we talk about the what.
DALPA can end the flow-throughs regardless of management's "wants".
07-10-2010 | 04:18 PM
#384
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This discussion of moving on to a Major vs. staying at a Regional has played out many times before. The damage to the industry was not anyone's fault. You cannot blame the current generation of regional pilots. Most wanted to move up and now the opportunity is coming too late. You can not fault someone for looking out for their own best interest. Moving up to a Major and commuting for the last 15 years of one's career, a majority of which will be spent in the right seat mind you, in today's uncertainty is dubious at best. I hear the conversation you quoted above all the time and I always have to agree that staying at a Regional is usually the best case. Job security is probably better sitting at the top 20% of a Regional than the bottom 5% of a major. Many are well on there way to a 6 digit salary, finally a good amount of vacation, 18 days off, 125% matching 401K, it is hard to make an argument for someone in their mid 40's to move on.
With that being said, as a regional pilot, I will be the first one to support the taking back of 50+ seat flying for mainline and I will also be the first one to jump ship to a brighter future the first opportunity I get. Ask me in seven years when I am in my 40's and you might get a different opinion.
With that being said, as a regional pilot, I will be the first one to support the taking back of 50+ seat flying for mainline and I will also be the first one to jump ship to a brighter future the first opportunity I get. Ask me in seven years when I am in my 40's and you might get a different opinion.
07-10-2010 | 04:56 PM
#386
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Do you remeber when FNWA had a limit on any jets greater than 45 seats? 98 contract. The company pulled 6 seats out of the rest and purchased more 44 seat CRJ-200s...I think they called them CRJ-4400. During the slip into concessions we agreed to allow the company to put the 6 seats back in.
So to answer your question. Yes they will pull the seats out.
So to answer your question. Yes they will pull the seats out.
Wait, you mean those aircraft that were "Certified" for "only 44 seats" and they really couldn't just throw 6 seats in them to make em 50 seaters (way to much money for that to ever happen).
07-10-2010 | 06:03 PM
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
1234,
Yep. The airplane is Certified and equipped for 50 passengers. Then the operator calls up and says, "I need a certificate for 44 passengers to meet a scope clause." Since the requested operation is less than the real capacity the manufacturer says, "stand by one." They print up a TCDS for a 44 passenger CRJ200, call their FAA program manager and throw the thing in the fax. In effect, weight is simply removed (as long as the result is within Certified CG limits) and the airplane performs a little better with a big closet where 3 rows of seats were. Or, the seats are not sold, resulting in a semi permanent operation at 88% of Certified capacity.
Delta's MD88's are Certified for higher weights than Delta operates them. Republic's E175's operate under different weight limits for different airlines. It is common industry practice.
Literally the airline's mechanics can come out and put a few stickers on the airplane, put in the logbook that it now conforms with xxxxxxx and off they go.
It is one reason why ALPA's scope restrictions are not really that restricting.
Yep. The airplane is Certified and equipped for 50 passengers. Then the operator calls up and says, "I need a certificate for 44 passengers to meet a scope clause." Since the requested operation is less than the real capacity the manufacturer says, "stand by one." They print up a TCDS for a 44 passenger CRJ200, call their FAA program manager and throw the thing in the fax. In effect, weight is simply removed (as long as the result is within Certified CG limits) and the airplane performs a little better with a big closet where 3 rows of seats were. Or, the seats are not sold, resulting in a semi permanent operation at 88% of Certified capacity.
Delta's MD88's are Certified for higher weights than Delta operates them. Republic's E175's operate under different weight limits for different airlines. It is common industry practice.
Literally the airline's mechanics can come out and put a few stickers on the airplane, put in the logbook that it now conforms with xxxxxxx and off they go.
It is one reason why ALPA's scope restrictions are not really that restricting.
07-10-2010 | 06:10 PM
#388
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07-10-2010 | 08:12 PM
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07-11-2010 | 06:36 AM
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In the meantime...fill out the application and go for it on your own! Don't count on a flowthrough especially if it is "unknown".
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