Alaska uses them almost exclusively with Horizon. Alaska has also consistently turned a profit. I don't think most people can tell at the time of booking if they will be in a turbo prop or not. Furthermore, I'd venture a guess that the number one factor people look at while booking is price, even if it means an extra connection.

 

Check your PMs

 

Don't both parties (DALPA/MGT & MSA's MEC) have to agree to that...I can['t see Mesaba's MEC keeping around the flow if it doesn't benefit them...I'de rather see them get rid of it if it came to that...

The 900 is more efficient than the 175...but in any case if I was at Delta and with age 65 coming up i'de want the flow to go too, coming to Pinnacle or Trans States isn't the best flow down scenario

 

The aircraft will not be parked. If the flow down is killed for whatever reason and invokes that clause in the contract they will just remove 6 seats. The 70 seat cap doesnt change so they will just add 4 more first class seats and take away 10 coach. They wont park the planes.

 

There comes a point that removing seats makes an aircraft unprofitable.....

 

Clearly delta wont fly a/c around that dont make money (all 50 seaters.)


If theres some way for you guys to pull these a/c up to mainline im all for it, but lets be real they will just add the 4 first class seats and pull 10 coach. Im not so sure that wouldnt be almost revenue neutral.

Dont forget they just signed long term contracts for these airplanes. Im sure they can get out of them but whats the expense on that?

Im just playing devils advocate to get ideas out there.


By the way I think hockey and johnso are right. DALPA enforcing thier contract may cause them to keep the flow around!!

 

Why would you want the flow to go if you were at Delta? Quite frankly, flowing down to Mesaba or Compass before the sale wouldn't have been a great time either after working at Delta. The point is that the option was better to many junior pilots than being furloughed and unemployed. Sure there are some that would prefer to go work somewhere else but others are okay being a CA on the 175 rather than drawing unemployment or sweeping floors at Lowes.

The flow down also creates a financial burden for the company due to the training cycles that it would cause and therefore it provides an incentive for them to try and avoid furloughs. For every flow-down at Compass you would have essentially created 4 training cycles. (1 = flow back training at compass, 2 = flow back training at DL after recall, 3 = CPZ upgrade to replace flow back pilot, 4 = new hire or recalled CPZ pilot).

 

Frankly, you make assumptions that you and probably the MEC do not know. Who pays the flow down costs? Ya think that maybe that is covered in the Sale Agreements and or the ASA?

 

Curious. Did you come from a company that had a flow in place? Probably not, so you had not other choice but to apply and take a chance. Quite making apples to oranges comparisons.

 

If recent history and reputations hold up, I would not get my hopes up that any 76 seaters will be parked.