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07-30-2010 | 08:39 AM

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tomgoodman

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Nothing like experience

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Originally Posted by Whacker77

It's one thing to impose an ATP requirement, but mandating flight in icing or something like that is unrealistic.

But wait, there's more! The applicant must have logged five close calls, three near misses, seven narrow escapes, ten bounce recoveries......

07-30-2010 | 08:46 AM

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The rules technically become valid after the date that is 3 years after the date of enactment of this Act

07-30-2010 | 08:47 AM

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But wait, there's more! The applicant must have logged five close calls, three near misses, seven narrow escapes, ten bounce recoveries......

Shoot. You can get that in one lesson as a CFI for Chinese students.

07-30-2010 | 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Inconceivable

Shoot. You can get that in one lesson as a CFI for Chinese students.

Hahaha! Amen! Too true. Do any work out in CA by any chance?

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Originally Posted by BoilerPilot2007

The rules technically become valid after the date that is 3 years after the date of enactment of this Act

Yes this was how I interpreted that as well. Thank goodness. I've worked for two regionals (Eagle and Chautauqua), but am no longer on a seniority list and only have 1000 hours. Having up to 3 years before I need my ATP would be nice...

07-30-2010 | 09:13 AM

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The Senate passed the bill this morning, now on the way to the President for signature...

Senate extends airline safety bill - On Congress - POLITICO.com

Done deal!

07-30-2010 | 09:30 AM

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Whacker77

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As far as the three years to enact the law, I'm not sure we can say that. The House bill from last year acknowledged that, but we don't know what the compromise bill states, or at least I haven't seen that yet.

If there is no grace period, then what a disaster for those employed but not yet at 1500. Talk about forced furloughs. Regardless, I hope someone with some sense relays what an idiotic idea mandatory icing experience is. People will die trying to meet this requirement. I thought the whole idea was safety?

07-30-2010 | 09:30 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Elvis90

The Senate passed the bill this morning, now on the way to the President for signature...

Senate extends airline safety bill - On Congress - POLITICO.com

Done deal!

Not until the big cheese writes his name. No cigar yet...

07-30-2010 | 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Fishfreighter

This may serve to keep pilots IN the military. How many TACAIR guys have 1500 hours at the end of their commitment? That's why the airlines in the past have multiplied TACAIR time by a factor of 1.2 when hiring. If the law is a hard 1500 then there are military pilots who won't qualify. And if they have to stay beyond their initial commitment then they might as well do 20 and THEN go to the airlines.

TACAIR guys fly many short sorties. Remember, military guys log time differently--takeoff to touch down + 5 min. They spend LOTS of time on the ground which would count in civilian log books (arming, dearming, waiting for their wingman to catch up, running checklists....). A true conversion may be close to 1.5 times hours actually logged. If it's a civilian 1500 hrs required for the ATP, they may easily justify a 0.4+ adjustment per sortie which will add up over 500-1000 sorties.

On a side note: At one time, there was a move to provide all military pilots an ATP equivelency exam. Maybe this will come back to life. You have 12-1500 hour DC-10 (KC-10) Captains flying ocean crossings with 300 hour First-Officers everyday (with pax). I think you could justify an ATP equivelency would be warranted.

07-30-2010 | 09:42 AM

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I heard the language states that once enacted airlines must require ATP hours. Anyone already employed has 3 years to get an ATP.

07-30-2010 | 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by LeeFXDWG

Flight time Duty time......Notice of Proposed Rule Making.

And what profession are you in?

NPRM's have designated periods where interested parties (such as your employer) can b*tch whine and squeal about how it will put them out of business and so on.

Frats,
Lee

The profession of flight instruction...where no duty times seem to exist.