How would you explain all this to one of the 386 AA hires at the bottom of the AA seniority list that had a contract with AA stating that the flowthroughs would only come to AA when new-hire classes are being conducted?


III. Employment Opportunities at AA for AMR Eagle, Inc. Pilots
A. At least one (1) out of every two (2) new hire positions per new hire class at AA
will be offered to CJ Captains who are line pilots and who have completed their
IOE at AMR Eagle, Inc. Such positions will be offered to the CJ Captains who
are line pilots in order of their AMR Eagle, Inc. seniority.

 

Here you go. FT's should have had recall rights. This is why Sovich testified that a recall would be in seniority order. The whole TWA merger mess was decided by an arbitrator because Letter 3 was silent on what happens in a merger. After APA reneged on their position and challenged the whole recall process it ended up as another arbitration. That arbitrator ruled against FT's but by doing so created the next arbitration because of the inequities created by his decision. Although had FT's recalled in seniority order, we probably would've still had a grievance under the lack of numbers generated for flowbacks that were added under a merger which Letter 3 didn't address.

J. A CJ Captain who accepts a recall to AA may be withheld from such
vacancy, provided the pilot is paid the greater of the rate of pay for the CJ
Captain flying being performed at the applicable AMR Eagle, Inc. pay
rates, or the highest equipment rate of pay for the AA bid status from
which withheld up to the applicable AA monthly maximum. Such
withholding will be limited to a maximum of six (6) months.

 

How can you have recall rights to an airline you didn't work at? And how can you be 'recalled' (hired) at an airline prior to that airline recalling all pilots that it furloughed? Sorry guys, I won't agree, and never will.

Your sentence about an arbitrator deciding the TWA merger mess isn't accurate, either. I think you meant that the arbitrator ruled on Supp W/Letter 3, not the merger or seniority integration between TWA & AA. No arbitration was allowed to integrate the seniority list, because that would have been more advantageous to TWA pilots, so AA/APA fought successfully to deny TWA pilots that right. AA/APA and ALPA completely controlled the integration, and you can see the final result.

 

And while we're at it, maybe someone can answer my question: why didn't the TWA Pilots who were trained to the AA cert (as opposed to being furloughed) not get counted as "new hires?"


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Thought this was the most appropriate thing I could find regarding all the squabbling.

YouTube - ‪Braveheart speaks to the elites‬‎

 

Agreed, to call an AMR employee of 23 years a "new hire" is ridiculous. They were flying amr equipment when some AA "new hires" were wearing diapers. new hires..please

 

Because the logic is IF there was a position for the pilot then they are not counted as a Letter 3 new hire. None of the four parties that were tied to Letter 3 had the right to arbitrarily block the hiring program through their actions i.e. AA merging a large group of pilots to the seniority lists when there were not enough positions thereby creating a large impediment to Letter 3 mechanisms.

 

American Airlines American Airlines pilots need a reality check - eTurboNews.com

Article from March 09'
Interesting points here I dont know how many of us have seen this (my first time reading it).

 

Bingo.

My buddy is around #100 on the totem pole and only 55 years old. He plans calling it a career at age 60. I suspect a lot of the sub #100 guys are way past 60 years old and creeping up to 65.

 

[QUOTE=B757200ER;853666]How can you have recall rights to an airline you didn't work at? And how can you be 'recalled' (hired) at an airline prior to that airline recalling all pilots that it furloughed? Sorry guys, I won't agree, and never will.

If you want to nit pick, the TWA pilots that you are refering were never on AA aircraft, but they were placed on the seniority list at AA just like the flowthroughs were placed on the AA list. The TWA pilots refrencing in the arbitrator ruling stated that these pilot have never been at AA or gone through AA indoc and as L3,Supp W were considered new hires. AE had furloughs on the street but was taking flow backs at the same time. It was a mess then it is a mess now. It is over, has been. The TWA pilots were shafted by APA and ALPA not AE pilots. But we at AE still get shafted daily by APA and ALPA.