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disgusting...
well i'm new here..i came here for some advice on purchasing an aircraft..i figured u guys would know best...but then i ran across this..
to tell u the truth.. some of u need to do some studying.. u really think all muslims are out there to destroy our society huh? Well let me give you some background on myself... As a child i always wanted to be a pilot, i later changed my mind and many years later here i am today.. i practice emergency medicine here in new york. I am a muslim, and my wife is christian. I do not ''convert by the sword'', nor do i hate people of other religions. I do not support any radicals groups..nor am i purchasin an airplane for any terrorist reasons, i simply love flying. After 9/11 I operated on victims for weeks on end. BTW it wasnt jus non muslims who died on 9/11, i had a muslim friend who was a EMT who ran into the building to save ppl when it collapsed on him. Infact in the community of muslims that i am around, i am proud to say that we are respected members of society, and in no way support these radical groups. so u think im out there to destroy society? u think all of us are alike? theres good and bad in everything. just dont let the bad fill ur head that u cant see any good anymore. ( sorry for the grammar...jus got off an 18 hr shift!) |
Originally Posted by FlyerJosh
As for not being born in the US, there are plenty of people that hold prominent positions in American society... should we hold them under suspicion as well just because they are "naturalized" citizens? (Here are a few prominent naturalized citizens: Arnold Schwartzenegger, Madeleine Albright, Isaac Asimov, Pierce Brosnan, Alexander Graham Bell, Dave Matthews, Henry Kissinger, the list goes on)
And Christianity has been perfectly well balanced and forgiving? Don't forget that just as many wars have been started in the name of Christ or God. If you doubt it, do some research on the crusades or read the old testament. I cannot believe that people will make generalizations about MILLIONS of people based on the actions of a few thousands of radicals. Extremists in any regard are dangerous. Our was isn't against "Muslims." It's against Extremists. It amazes me that people can make blanket statements about one religion without knowing a thing about that particular religion. Saying that all muslims are waging wars in the name of their religion is like saying all christians burn crosses while wearing white robes and hoods.
Originally Posted by FlyerJosh
One of the premises of Sun Tzu's "Art of War" speaks of knowing your enemy (and yourself) in order to best succeed on the battlefield.
I am republican, conservative, white, catholic... But you know what, I am also educated. And I agree with Josh. |
Originally Posted by rickair7777
I have spent enough time over there to have a reasonable feel for it. Pre-9/11 I had more freedom and opportunity to experince arab society than most westerners have today due to security issues. There are lots of things I like about it, and I have some friends also who are firmly in the good-guy camp.
I also hate to stereotype, but a VERY large percentage of folks over there have sympathies of varying degrees to the WRONG side in this conflict. How many exactly? Hard to say...it's not easy to quantify something like that, but it has to be around 50%, with a wide margin of error. We are NOT simply confronting a tiny handful of radicals, we are confronting an entire culture and an inseparable religion. Whatever the solution or solutions to the problem are, we will never find them by sticking our collective head in the sand in regards to the underlying realities of this conflict. I have also spent a fair amount of time in countries "over there" (some prior to shooting, some after) and yes, a LARGE percentage are NOT interested in getting along with anyone or following any peaceable tenets of their religion. This continued posting on the thread of "its just a few extremists" shows the total lack of understand by people who have obviously never had the experience to see first hand what is it to really "know" a culture. I am sure it’s easy to sit in a quiet middle class neighborhood and say "I know some Muslims and they are all great people, none of them could be or support terrorists". Do you know what one looks likes? Do you expect the extremists to stand up with knife and gun and announce it before they carry out their actions? Take a trip to the Middle East and find out the true meaning of hatred within a culture. Do good and decent people exist within these countries and religion? Of course there are. No one on here has suggested all people of any religion or group are all bad. I have numerous friends who practice the faith and sure they are many on this site. I just read the post from “Grandpa” as I post this. That being said however, how soon we forget as others have mentioned the actions after 9/11 or more recently the reaction of MILLIONS (yes, millions.. not those “few thousand” as some are confused about) to the publishing of a cartoon about Mohammed? Do you remember the riots in over 56 countries world wide? Does anyone really expect to explain those week of burning and killing as a normal reaction to a cartoon whether it’s offensive to you or not? Would you burn and kill over a cartoon?? If you’re a middle of road American and you act like that over your religious beliefs, we call you a “cult member”. For all those on here who simply want to hide and think if we talk nice it will all get better, who want to say we caused the problems, who want to pretend ‘everyone can just get along”… Get real.. Take your butts on a tour and see how it is in the real world. Visit Iraq and tour the Shiite slums of Baghdad and announce proudly you’re a Sunni Muslim, let see how fast your attitude changes… |
Originally Posted by ryane946
Josh, those are some of the best and most profound statements I have read on APC. You seem smart and educated. You know what you are talking about. You are not overly PC, and you are not ignorant. You are right. AZvandriver is just plain ignorant.
I am republican, conservative, white, catholic... But you know what, I am also educated. And I agree with Josh. My "ignorance" comes from 4 years in a Marine Corps Infantry unit, a Bachellor's dergree in Professional Aeronautics, A lifelong obsession with the study of history, phillosophy, and religion, and raising a family. This was a courteous exchange of viewpoints until you jumped in. Keep your baseless opinions to yourself or share them with your students, but don't publicly insult me. |
hey az...
Breathe. I wouldn't want you to have a heart attack. Don't you think you're jumping to conclusions again? Just because ryane946's profile shows him as a "lowly" CFI and you're the mighty Caravan driver, how do you know that ryane946 isn't a 60 year old CFII that has taken up teaching after a long successful career in another industry? Let's try not to drop further into personal attacks- okay? Same goes for ryane946's comments. We're all entitled to an opinion, no matter how wrong some of them might be... (KIDDING!) |
Originally Posted by FlyerJosh
(Post 52056)
Reddog... don't pull the veteran card on me... that's making a pretty lame assumption. FWIW, I served honorably for 9 years including an active duty overseas tour myself.
Stereotypes of any sort don't help any cause. I don't call you a war-monger just because you support the war or were in the military... |
Originally Posted by reddog25
(Post 52068)
:) LAFF, are you a US citizen or a visa dude?
-LAFF |
Originally Posted by MikeB525
(Post 52124)
I think it might be possible that the backround check turned up questionable thing, perhaps things this Mr. Faisil didn't even know he did. For example, JB's extensive background check may have turned up evidence that Faisil donated money (perhaps unwhittingly) to a Muslim charity known to funnel the money to terror operations. Or perhaps that he actively attended a Mosque where (perhaps out of his view) pro-terrorism stuff was preached/discussed/planned. Those are just what I think could be general examples of the kind of stuff that may have caused JB to rescind the offer. But as they say, it'll all come out in the wash.
-LAFF |
Originally Posted by LAfrequentflyer
(Post 52692)
US citizen - naturalized. Good thing too, you can't earn a commission in the USAF or any other branch without US citizenship.
-LAFF |
Subject: MUSLIMS
Is there a good Muslim? This is something I've wondered about for some time now: How & why do the Muslims hate us & everyone else so much? Doesn't their God teach them to love? Can a good Muslim be a good American or Canadian? I sent that question to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years. The following is his reply: Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god of Arabia. Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except Islam (Quran, 2:256) Scriptural - no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam and the Quran (Koran). Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day. Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews. Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullah (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and Destruction of America, the great Satan. Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34). Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt. Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic. Spiritually - no. Because when we declare "one nation under God," the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in The Quran's 99 excellent names. Therefore after much study and deliberation....perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both "good" Muslims and good Americans Canadians. Call it what you wish....it's still the truth. If you find yourself intellectually in agreement with the above statements, perhaps you will share this with your friends. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future. Pass it on Fellow Americans and Canadians. The religious war is bigger than we know or understand. Kindest regards, |
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