This is so typical of you alfa. You only use the side of the story that suits you. Everyone knows management has the exclusive rights to merge. Why did Delta come asking for help when USAir was trying to merge? Because management didn't want it and they hoped you could scare them away by threatening to be union goons! It worked!

Management has exclusive rights, but so do unions. Unions just have to be gutsy enough to use their exclusive rights. Not just be management suck-ups lilke you.

Carl

Walmart versus Target argument. Which stock would you rather own? alpa says it wants to be Target, yet operates like Walmart. In case you missed the inuendo, alpa realizes that they cannot have any more $150/ hour pilots, so they are making a silly attempt to make up the difference in volume which cheapens the model.

Always fun to be told by some almost RJ lifer about what I missed. Like I said...nice work Gomer!

Carl

yup... crazy.

Dude, I know you weren't there so you'll have to trust me on this: "That was not leadership." :eek:

Carl

My point exactly. I know that Lee is not popular with the punch-em-in-the-face crowd.. but DS/BS would be a total waste of time and money.

All that being said, I'll give Lee a couple of months to reign in the ridiculousness at national before I send in a DPA card...

Never flew an RJ, but any time I spent at other than a major was due to the generation before me failing to keep the flying in-house. Now the same generation, which gave, and gave, and gave more scope away while it was in charge to protect their retirement is lecturing me about scope? You created a world where the regionals are the way to the majors. You're actually the disease, criticizing the newly infected. I'm trying to solve the mess you created, and you're giving me crap because I'm not doing fast enough? I just want smart and effective, not the stupid and angry that has worked so poorly to date.

The sad truth is that it will be difficult simply to hold the scope problem where it is, and it also is that you're so myopicaly whining about 50-seat RJ's, and trying to assign blame to everyone else for your failures, that you're not focused on other issues, ironically, like your end of the gauge range. I support people that have shown an aptitude to solve problems and obtain meaningful gains (i.e. the current MEC). And while I think this MEC is poor in connecting with the line pilot, and while the black swan stuff seems a little ridiculous on the surface, I notice these people are also focused on problems we are certain to face next, even as you are inevitably turned the other way, backwards. If only we could have had a little more forward thinking about the RJ, maybe we wouldn't try to get your horses back in the barn today.

I know it will not help your particular agenda to see these people succeed, but I tend to think I benefit when they do it right. So when people like Moak get a shot at replacing Prater, I say "good", and I say I hope he does well. And I think it's intelligent to try to put up resolutions to steer them the right way. That's when you shot me down, right: I was answering 80's comments and stating this would be a good time to try to change the FTDT NPRM, and the rule on F/O qualifications. But I guess it's wrong to talk about those issues, because I had to say the magic word: SCOPE, and make sure I capitalized it.

Tell you what Carl, you've ridden the very word "scope" so hard and so long, it's starting to get stale. You're trying to advocate for DPA on this thread, and you've got no faces to present, and no new ideas. Now that Prater is done, you've got one less angle. You can't define anything good about DPA except by whining about ALPA. I think the time is coming when you need to put up something more credible. Who/what is DPA, and exactly how will it help solve our important issues?

Both.

Some say buyer be wary. When the names come out, and a true platform of by-laws are started the debate becomes more about facts and less about an idea or concept.

As for the person really behind this. If they are really that dissatisfied with the way ALPA is DPA may be the only answer, but if one were smart and really wanted to see change, they would try to reform ALPA from within as well.

And we come back to 'GO'. Alpa is not reformable from within... it's just not. True reformers would NEVER be elected to a position from which they could accomplish said reform.. It just isn't gonna happen. If I were elected king, I would be in LM's face the next day demanding a cut in pay and benefits at national to come into line with those of us paying those dues. What do you think my chances of being elected MEC chair are? Oh wait, I have to work on my field goals from the left hash mark, the Titans just called and Beronis is weak from 56 yards...

Well I have to say, that the Compensation Committee has not delivered their report to the BOD to vote on. That is where Lee's pay will be determined and then ratified by the whole group. I do hope that these politically savvy pilots realize that this needs to happen now. Not holding my breath, but hopeful.

I also know that in the last round of elections last fall, many of the councils elected a great deal of free thinkers. T- your election is up now. Vote. I have been thoroughly impressed with all of my reps and their ability to call balls and strikes when it counts. As we elect more people on the LEC level the change happens. It is slow and timely, but quite possible. Pilots first must be willing to vote and demand accountability of their reps. When this happens it moves uphill.

There will be a new MEC without the former MEC in the running this time. That is a great chance for new faces to run. I suspect we will see a few older faces join the campaign, some same faces, and some new faces. It would be wise for all of the candidates to court the pilots and not just the voting reps. There is opportunity for some change here. I say we use it.

This will result in 2/3rds of the voting reps changing in the last two years, a new MEC who will be at the BOD putting our agenda forward. At that time there is true opportunity. I like you want to see this cycle though and give it a chance.