Satch;

Do you believe our scope clause sucks?

Just remember all of this angst when you fill out the contract survey. Remember to make scope number one......

Remember it as well when you mail in your DPA card. ;)

Carl

And I was going to be a Yankee's pitcher making millions, but I'm not 6'6" and I don't throw 95 mph.

If you want to go that route, I should have had at least $500,000 more in my pocket before interest. You both are trying to attach bitterness to why people support DPA. I have always felt there was a major conflict within ALPA and would support independence (pre or post 9-11) with the current structure. It is a flawed structure and needs to be corrected. All ALPA major pilot groups have suffered because of this conflicted structure.

My point to ACL is simple. He has benefitted while many of us rode the pine. He had a Captain seat probably making 70-80K while mainline FO's were unemployed. ASA continued hiring. Things weren't stagnant at ASA. It's hard for me to have someone in that position say people who choose DPA are just simply frustrated. I am trying to correct the problem so future junior Delta pilots don't have to endure what I did (watch your company hire all the while laying you off--aided by our own union). They still continue to fail us today regarding scope. I say his opinion might be slightly different if our roles were reversed.

I can tell you that regardless of my furlough, I would support DPA. All my furlough did was reinforce what I already knew to be true, a divided house can't stand.

Is this the same TC that continuously posted on the NWA ALPA message board about how upset he was over the furlough grievance and how he was able to delay or cancel numerous flights?

I wouldn't know. I am pre-merger Delta. I don't know TC but I like what he's done so far with DPA. That's all that matters to me. FWIW, I do know one of the other founders of DPA who is pre-merger Delta. He's a very sharp guy and I trust his judgment. Bottom line for me is that DALPA has totally failed to even begin addressing our bankruptcy era compensation and massive loss of jobs due to outsourcing. Can't even get them to identify restoration as an objective. I'll take a relative unknown any day over a known failure.

Mainline scope erosion grew the regional ranks. Plain and simple. As Bar so eloquently states, "I find it morally repugnant that we would allow our union to trade one member's job to benefit another member."

Again, how does putting 1500 mainline pilots on the street, gaining 2000 IBT and non-union pilots help ALPA?

For that matter, how would putting 1500 mainline pilots on the street and gaining 2000 regional pilots help ALPA?

I'll help you....IT DOESN'T.

The $$$$ is much, much better from a mainline pilot's dues than from a regional pilot's dues.

Shiz;

The mainline pilot who gets furloughed is probably going to come back to work at the mainline at some time. This means if his company is an ALPA carrier, he will be a dues payer for life - despite his furlough.

The non affiliated regional pilot (IBT), if gained by ALPA, is an ALPA dues payer then.

In other words, ALPA benefits from both scenarios, furlough or not.

Its like the cheating husband, the wife (of 20+ years (DALPA) gets upset) but if she doesnt divorce you (DPA) you still have your secretary (RAH) to chase, court, date and eventually win. All the husband has to do is convince his wife that she cant make it on her own.

Try to look at this strategically, not tactically. There are also blind corners and hidden traps that no body is really seeing...this is why scope has to be ironclad - and why we must go to the mat over RAH...otherwise, the job keeps on swirlin down the toilet.

When is the contract survey?

Many of us have already mailed in our card. Last I heard the numbers were stalled around 2,000 or so. I am a proponent of getting 51% of the necessary cards if anything to see a legitimate response and team step forward from DPA, then a final decision whether to switch away from ALPA can be made. However, if that day should come and anyone on the team is a former red book pilot, significant credibility will be lost. When the fNWA contract negotiation team decided a junior fNWA pilot would have less DC than a future newhire at the combined company, credibility and trust was severally damaged. Of course this pales in comparison to the mid-seniority pilot that took an abysmal cut to his DB for a DC thats less than a newhire. I'm betting a DPA launch from the South side would've carried more credibility goi ng forward. Best of luck, for all of us.