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Originally Posted by CAPTAINPCL
(Post 901842)
What if someday a terrorist shoves a bomb up his butt? Then what? Rectal exams for everybody??
"Sir, I am going to have to ask you to pull your pants down and spread you ankles, we need to search your rectum". |
Originally Posted by Jay5150
(Post 902217)
Just for the sake of accuracy... yeah, they do. Not at all places yet just like here, but at some and it's expanding. In AMS now, the "naked scanner" is at the gate and everybody goes through. No alternatives.
Thanks Sniper, I'll check that out next time. |
Charles Krauthammer had a good line- the Israeli's look for a terrorist not an object, while we look for an object and not a terrorist.
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Originally Posted by GlobeTreker
(Post 901617)
from the declaration of independence.
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, 4th amendment from the Bill of Rights. The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. Our freedoms are our birthright. They were given to us by god if you believe he exists. (I don't) These rights are not yours to surrender. The TSA is clearly in violation of the 4th amendment. I seriously doubt groping granny and 6 year olds is keeping us safe. Al-qaida must be laughing their asses off as we shred our own bill of rights. The fact is, when you accept the process, you waive your 4th amendment rights. The issue is, TSA screeners (I will not use the term officer) are not trained in the 4th amendment as LEO's are. They are just hourly workers doing what they are told. Nothing more or less despite what they might think of themselves. When you permit the search be it imaging or "pat down," you have given up your 4th amendment rights to an individual who is a government worker but that doesn't have the authority to deprive you of them as in the case of a LEO assuming probable cause. The real question is, where do we draw the line? What is acceptable as it relates to your rights? I will say that based on what I've read but not experienced, the new "pat down" term used by the TSA and the media is more akin to a frisking. Frisking is reserved for an individual under arrest.......... Lee |
I blame Bush for this mess and I blame Obama for this mess. Bush was seduced by the neocons while Obama installed a woman who seems to be auditioning for the remake of 1984. What makes Obama's view so surprising is he claims to be a civil libertarian. Didin't he rail against these tactics when they were conducted by Bush?
The whole situation is sad commentary on how government has become far too intrusive in our lives. Under the fourth amendment, we cannot be subjected to unreasonable searches and seizures. What is reasonable about this police state move? Does buying a ticket automatically mean the purchaser is now considered a terrorist? I though probable cause was needed before searches like this were to be conducted. Obama's presidency is floundering right now and moves like this are only going to hurt him more. If he wanted to get back some of his popularity, he should immediately fire Big Sis and can the dope running the TSA. |
Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 902048)
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This is an avatar test.
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Originally Posted by Jughead
(Post 901456)
What? I don't get what you're saying here.
An individual or group could place a variety of items on the conveyor belt, depart security and have another person in line (who is clean) observe the outcome. By the time the screeners tried to track down the owner of whatever item, they'd be long gone. Same goes for walking through a metal detector, see it go off, then depart security, etc. With enough people, you could probably easily profile individual screeners as well as the performance/calibration of equipment at individual airports, etc. Similar to how people used to (and probably still do) profile equipment and staff at casinos. |
Would any of us be complaining if she was touching our junk?
Her name is ...... Tara U Clothesoff ..... I think that is Russian for hottie. http://lh4.ggpht.com/_eDS-ZR6ddoA/TO...0/IMAG0168.jpg |
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