That's a good post. I like it when people can give reasons. Instead of the one percent you talked about. Every time I read this thread I imagine 4-5 of these guys being the ones beating on the car hoods of non union guys, lol.

Its 4-5 guys out of almost 2500 now, less then 1%. While I don't always condone the way some folks get the message across, their anger has real background in actions by jetblue. Some here, the other board, and especially bluepilots tend to be over the top... this isn't a Turkish prison, it IS better then any regional and the majority of nationals in the industry, but there are real improvements that need to be made and real protections that need to be implemented, and that is often the point all these guys are trying to make. We all make our living off this company... we want it to do well, we like seeing new airplanes on the ramp, I like interacting with our new hire pilots, from what I can see they are great dudes. Just realize that a union is likely the only way we can truly secure our future in a fluid industry like the one we make our living in. The jetblue culture can survive and flourish in a post unionized environment, but that will be for management to decide.

Also realize there are the 1% on the other side of the equation.... the guys that disregard anything said and put total blind faith in the company, to the extent of slandering and downright lying about some of the very good pro union pilots. These folks will tell you that you are protected, the best paid, the most secured, and have great healthcare without having a shred of evidence to back up their claims. The most important thing to do is trust NO ONE, do your own research, read EVERYTHING and don't take anyones word for it. Whatever way you vote next time around at least you will be acting on real information at that point.

I have to disagree. 50,000+ miles on Delta each year the last couple of years. I jump on them regularly between MEM and home, that is mostly Pinnacle and the crew up front and in the back have been great. The gate agents are very helpful also.

I have always been treated right at the gate and onboard, only one event in the last few years sticks in my mind of poor service from a flight attendant, and it was actually comical to watch. YMMV

I have not had the chance to ride on Jetblue, but the ride sounds nice.

Yup....this.

BMW's and Fords both suck...what's the problem here?

I was based in MEM forever with Pinnacle. If you're getting on a Pinnacle flight, for a while at least, most of the gate agents were Pinnacle as well. For the most part, when I was non-reving to and from work, I'd rather sweat out the jumpseat on American or jetBlue than fly Delta. From my experience, they treat offline guys WAAAY better than their contract carriers. Your mileage may vary, of course, but that was my experience.

Again, my experience only, but most of the Delta guys jumpseating the same direction as me would shank you in the side rather than even look at you if it meant you might actually get on before them. Maybe I just had a horrid two years of commuting.

It was improved.

Our 5% company contribution that was deposited annually is now deposited quarterly. Any reasonable person would call that an improvement from what we had.

Totally misleading post.

How does our 401k deposit not equal 13%? You say it doesn't. Now you will argue that 5% of that 13% was labeled profit sharing, so it isn't retirement.

Yet in your own post, you INCLUDE profit sharing in the average you quote for other airlines. Why the double standard?

Why are you including profit sharing in their "20%" number, but do not count it in our 13%?

Your methods don't work because you are unreasonable and you use dishonest arguments.

It should be very telling to all those you are trying to convince not to come here that you are NOT quitting, and don't intend to.

Actions speak louder than rhetoric, and those considering JB should note the actions of these 5-7 guys that say its terrible, but NEVER quit.

Fact of the matter is industry average is 13.5% plus profit sharing. 5% of the 13% is profit sharing. JetBlue hired a third party to evaluate our retirement and found we were behind and paying 13% plus a bonus would be average. JetBlue management didn't like the conclusion and came up with their own. So very direct.

That is correct. I have no problem with simple facts. I have problems with mis-characterization of the facts.

We need an industry standard bonus plan added to our package. Simple fact.