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Old 08-26-2006 | 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Trash Hauler

Hey lets just take the salaries of all of ALPA top management and split it up among the members. My dues would be better off in a retirement savings account.
Take that to your next LEC meeting in the form of a resolution, and vote on it.

It's a Democratic process - - it depends on participation.



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Old 08-26-2006 | 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by TonyC
The problem is NOT the RLA.


The problem is our entire legal system. THAT needs a major overhaul.




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isn't the RLA part of the legal system...
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Old 08-26-2006 | 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Eric Stratton

isn't the RLA part of the legal system...


It's a law.


How it's administered, and whether it is honored, is another story, and depends on much more than what is written in the law.




We have laws that forbid murder.


If murders continue to be perpetrated, it is not because there is no law against it, or because the law needs to be changed. There is a multitude of issues that come into play here, and I don't intend to get buried in them. My point is the law as written is adequate - - it just needs to be followed.





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Old 08-26-2006 | 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by TonyC
My point is the law as written is adequate - - it just needs to be followed.
I'd agree with that.

I personally like how the Bush came out and said that he wouldn't allow an airline to strike.

I sure hope that since the judge postponed the strike that he also posponed the paycuts for the flight attendents so that he could have time to see if they're actually needed.
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Old 08-26-2006 | 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Eric Stratton

I personally like how the Bush came out and said that he wouldn't allow an airline to strike.
Yeah, I know, and Al Haig said he was in charge. That doesn't make it so. According to the RLA, he can delay, but not bar a strike.



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Old 08-26-2006 | 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by paladin
They do; they can quit. I have to agree with "Eric Stratton", it is way past time for new legislation that would serve as arbiter for the myriad issues that surround the rights of labor as well as those who have a stake in the private ownership of the means of production. However, isn't that where the paradox lies because employees have a big stake in the profitability of the corporations for which they are employed? Maybe it is time for airline pilots represented by ALPA to reevaluate the merits and practicality of national representation and jettison the collectivism that is masquerading as some kind of sacrosanct brotherhood. ALPA "leadership" has been eating their young for generations.
Sure, let's all quit collective bargaining, throw ALPA and all unions out. Everyone go out buy a pair of knee pads and "earn our pay check the old fashioned way"

Paladin, climb back into the hole you just crawled out of.
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Old 08-26-2006 | 09:55 PM
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I think the judge "punted", hoping that a deal will be reached and he won't have to "make new law". He just got the case a few days ago, so there is some merit in his stated need to study the issues more extensively.
I don't understand all of the legalities of this decision, but to me it seems just plain un-American to withhold a strike. Back in 1979, when it was still considered "glamorous" to be a flight attendant.. Northwest Orient flew me up to Minneapolis and offered me a job as a flight attendant. While pondering my decision and waiting at the airport for my flight home, I struck up a conversation with some NWA flight attendants who were waiting for their flight. Basically they (and my boyfriend at the time) talked me out of taking the job. In hindsight, I'm glad that they did, because the NWA flight attendants went out on strike a couple of months later, and the airline was probably just trying to gather newbies to cover their asses. I have wondered how my life would have turned out if I would have taken the job and what it would be like today. I stand in support of the FA's if they feel compelled to strike and endure the hardship that goes along with that.
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Old 08-27-2006 | 12:31 AM
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I would hope that these FA's can find plenty of ways to slow work with sick calls, slow downs or other legal options that NO judge can block. The pilots should also do ANYTHING they can to help these FA's because it is their fight to! Just because there not looking to you for the cuts please don't turn your backs on fellow workers. Unions aside lets all remember the real goal here and support each other. I know some hate the unions but you know what your breathren are going through so put yourself in their shoes!
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Old 08-27-2006 | 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Skygirl
I don't understand all of the legalities of this decision...

Neither do I, but experts are saying that there is a possible conflict between the Bankruptcy Code, the RLA, and the Norris-LaGuardia Act, and that the need to resolve these differences has not come up until now. Any decision is likely to be appealed, so the judge is being very cautious. Vagabond?
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Old 08-27-2006 | 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by TonyC
The problem is NOT the RLA.


The problem is our entire legal system. THAT needs a major overhaul.




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The problem as I see it is not with the RLA. NWA changed the rules of the RLA by terminating the CBA. The FAs are working without a contract. The RLA was set up to prevent either side from causing a work stopage as long as a contract is in force. That is why at the end of a contracts term the status quo continues and both sides dance around mediation, 30 day cooling off etc. In this case NWA was allowed to throw out the FAs contract and impose working conditions (a 1113C motion). There is no CBA in force with the NWA FAs and management. I believe upon further review the judge will determine that the RLA has no standing in this case and the FAs will be allowed appropriate work action.....JMHO
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