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Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1007257)

If a new fleet type arrives (100-110 seater) that will likely be junior and it could go to any domicile (although I doubt the west coast), but when that arrives and whether it's available for any particular new-hire class wont be known until said new-hire arrives for class. This would open up movement for all fleet types (777 excluded) for new-hire availablility as junior in status and bottom RSV.

As it stands now, DFW and ORD and the West coast have been unattainable for the recent flow-thru's and although some have gone DCA S-80, that domicile is shrinking and likely to continue to do so as is BOS. How much and whether one or both would actually close is unknown. New-hires of the future should plan narrow-body (including any new 110 seater) east of the Mississippi.

RSV at AA under the current system is horrible and hideously over-complicated and the current staffing makes it worse. 11 days off in a 30-day period and 12 in a 31 day, BUT they can fly you into 2 of those days and as long as you finish before noon, they don't have to give a full return day. "Long call" is worthless unless you live in domocile (if you can even get it with current staffing as the few RSV's available almost always go on short-call RAP's when not on a trip), as they can call you too late in the day to make it into domocile the next morning (no flights to get you there on-time). Speaking of flights, the "commuter policy" requires 2 AA/AE flights (not just ANY carrier) AND they must cancel. WX or mechanical/loads don't count for a "sorry, I couldn't make it to work" sob story.

I can see why many of the recalls are passing. Why walk headlong into this nightmare, when you can do what you're doing now, watch the mess from afar and decide whether or not to return later, when there's a cushion of junior winged matresses below you to feather your return ? I figure at least another 10% to each status (800 or so pilots), just to make the current situation tolerable and that doesn't include rest rule changes or retirement replacement........in that case add 2500.

Should a new fleet type arrive AND they keep the S-80's in the interim, I expect them to behind the curve for the forseeable future, but that and a new CBA would at least be progress.

Thank you for the thourough response. Gives alot to think about

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Originally Posted by tone (Post 1007265)

Thank you for the thourough response. Gives alot to think about

I'm still happy to be here, but right now it's tough. I was warned about a lot of negativity on the line by people during training and now I see where its roots lie. Its been something that's been cultivated over many years and sadly something that it is totally preventable. I must say, the crews I fly with have been the only shining spot. As a flowthru Eaglet I've been accepted and have yet to run into the "10%ers" that exist everywhere.

It's got to get better, so if you're somewhere you don't want to be that's worse, AA can turn out to be a place to be in the future. The worrisome part is, it's all in the company's hands and there track record is poor.

Again, IMHO I'd expect to see an announcement of an application window prior to the end of the year (although it may not open before next year). Don't know what the quals will be, but they have to be far less then my 18,000 TT (9000 jet PIC). The REAL bonus for those at the beginning crest of the wave will be potential advancement. Most current AA pilots are over 45 (well over), so those at the beginning of the next wave who will be in their late 20's early 30's will have staggering advancement potential down the line as the old gasbags (myself included) either retire or flop over.

Right now SFO is the most senior base, followed by DFW. The great majority of recalls are going to either MIA or LGA.

As far as the new contract, if it ever comes:eek:, how high in priority are better reserve system and length of service for recalees on the list for APA? JJust wondering if those 2 things are likely to change? I guess only time will tell..

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Originally Posted by tone (Post 1007520)

Supposedly company dislikes current RSV system as well and changes are coming. I've heard claims of some specifics from a couple of sources involving making it more attractive for senior pilots, especially those who don't commute.

As far as LOS for furloughees, not sure how high up the list that one is. My understanding is that scope is the #1 priority with pay #2, with complicated and extensive scheduling issues almost complete. I'd doubt the APA would get a fair deal on all the above and hold up the show for furloughee benefits, at least in full, but who knows ?

The only certainty IMO, is that there will be compromise in probably every contractual section, but to what degree, we'll have to see. Also in question is Eagle's supposed award of 824 new-hire slots on a 50% basis after the present furloughee first offer is complete and the 250 Eagle flowthroughs with bottom AA numbers is run through (flow not mandatory for them).

It seems most of the recent recallee's are going to STL (SLT) S-80, but I'm sure as each class materializes, they'll start scattering to other statuses (EQP/Domicile). Right now, everything's a slow crawl, but at least it's forward in direction.

The first guy to flow through last year got MIA 777 recently.

My friend's Dad was hoping for 767, but got 737 MIA. The commute from ORD to MIA for reserve seems to be a quite different lifestyle than he's used to!

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Originally Posted by QuagmireGiggity (Post 1007694)

The first guy to flow through last year got MIA 777 recently.

That's not reflected in the enhanced 3xp for that bid status, junior MIA 777 FO is in the 5000's which equates to an early 1990's date of hire.

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Originally Posted by QuagmireGiggity (Post 1007694)

The first guy to flow through last year got MIA 777 recently.

I understand another got SFO 737 recently, so a few are scrapping their way around the system. Most will be long time RSV in those more senior statuses though.

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Originally Posted by 80drvr (Post 1007734)

That's not reflected in the enhanced 3xp for that bid status, junior MIA 777 FO is in the 5000's which equates to an early 1990's date of hire.

I spoke to him myself. He was the very first of the 35 that went last summer.
Not sure if he has finished training yet.. that was last month he had just started training.