AA recalls
 

Sounds like 25ish recalls in June. Congrats to those being recalled! More to follow in July also. Lets hope the recalls contiue until all furloughed pilots have the opportunity to return.

Good luck keeping this thread on track. It's only a matter of time before the Somali pirates climb aboard and take it off course.

May the force be with you.

What is your source for recalls in July as well? I hope it's true, but have heard nothing official about recalls beyond June.

Heard from several sources at the schoolhouse that recalls would continue at a modest pace until at least late fall (Oct- Nov). I'd think that's at least another 150 or so additional to this June group.

Great news, two quick questions:

How many are accepting recalls?

When do they hit the portion of the list that has never been offered recall?

circa Jan-2011, a AA buddy told me that for every 10 called, 1 was accepting.

Don't know about today/now.

Don't know the acceptance rate, but the June group are furloughees, but how many are first calls, I don't know. I think they all are, but not sure. AE flowthroughs of the arbitration are done as of May.

I saw a vacancy list, but curious as to where the June group will go. I'm sure some STL slots for them though.

So when does DELTA start hiring? I keeeeeeed. You asked for it!

Only 12xx havn't been offered recalls, so the last group of recalls went through approx. 780 guys(?) So maybe 12% acceptance if military deferrals are counted as 'pass'.

Folks guess that the earlier(ie longer) furloughees might come back at an even lower rate. If 12% is correct the next 150 recalls will generate a phone call to every guy on the list(1200 x .12 = 144).

If we knew how many were getting recalled, and the acceptance rate, we'd be able to answer your question. At this point any answer would be a guess.

IF recalls continue at 25/month, and the acceptance rate stays the same, and IF the Oct/Nov date posted here is correct, everyone will have been called come the end of November.

Can you take any of that to the bank? No.

Hopefully the recalls continue.

Harumph !!!

What if AA declares Chapter 11? What if oil goes to over $120/barrel? Will recalls continue then?

What if you were in the hiring pool back in '01, do you have to reinterview?

All bets are off if any of that stuff happens.

As it stands right now - AA is still pitifully short on manning. I'm currently at the schoolhouse and rumors are flying around faster than a Citation I regarding some kind of 3 way circle jerk with JB, USAir and AMR, along with a whole other fleet type showing up on the property. Check airmen are also being hired at a pretty good pace. Something is undoubtedly in the works.

Is every domicile short staffed? Some RSVs in my base are sitting at home cutting the grass or playing golf. Not sure about schoolhouse rumours---just tongue in cheek.

The small bases (DCA, BOS, SFO) don't tend to fly much on reserve due to the base size. So it depends... DFW, LGA, MIA constantly runs out of reserves. OVERALL the manning is tight, very tight. When the schoolhouse starts ramping up big time, that is the first sign that there will be recalls/training for quite a while. And that is what's happening now.

I guess you'd know, since you've changed equipment, what, four times this past year?

ORD 737 is overstaffed right now. Our lines are at 71 hours for April. I had an AE FT in the jump seat last week, he said he was sent home between ground school and simulator for 24 days.

That's an indication of training not running efficiently.

Twenty four days off w/pay, great deal if you can get it. Back in 1990/1991 a guy got 3-4 months off w/pay. :D

So the "Three Way" would be after BK and Management decimates retirements. Which would mean a bunch of guys leave early to get their guaranteed money. Then they pick up B6 (Soon to be ALPA, probably), US Air (USAPA) and AMR (APA). What a fun SLI that will be. The new fleet type will be both B6 and US Airs Fleet of E-190's, and options for more.
That SLI will make AirTran and Southwest look like a walk in the park.

Nope, just came to the 737 for 10 months and now back to the Cadillac, where I plan on staying for a good while (hopefully.)

You are 'recalled' just after the Eagle Flow Ups and prior to any TWA Pilot. :rolleyes:

you sure about that? I am told we're all BELOW every one... period.

I'm pretty sure what you just experienced right there was a heavy dose of SARCASM! You really think a hiring pool has rights to AA over the TWA professionals? The main point to consider is that it's been over a decade now so many of all concerned will have moved on..... way on!

Yea, I was being sarcastic. I didn't realize they had a pool after '01. I thought they just said class cx & thanks for your time. Well, good luck to all in the pool if one exists. 10 years has got to be the record for swimming pilots! Hope you do get the call and offered the job when the time comes. If not, Allegiant is hiring.

Honestly, do you believe a pool of applicants will be hired from 2001? They'll probably start all over.

nice!!! :d

There were also AA pilots who had been hired in August 01 that were sent home within a few days after 9/11. A friend of mine was there - initially they were told, "thanks for stopping by, see ya" but later they were told that there are eligible to be recalled in whatever order. But that was ten years ago, that's a long time.

Consider this my research, but what hire dates are getting called back to AA right now?

Starting in June, we are at the '96 TWA hires. From there we go through the rest of the TWAers, then a small block of native AAers hired after the TWA merge date, then to new hires. At this pace we should be through the entire list by next year.

Delete....

More FT's before newhires though.

Not sure about that... the way it was explained to me, the first FTs will start up again with new hires - 1 to 1 with a max of 20 FTs per class. These would be the block of 820 FTs. Starting in June, it is all AA recalls til the end of the list. Anyone hear anything different?

You are forgetting the 250 or so FT's that are before the pref hiring of the 824. These are the ones that were after TWA on the list. The second group of FT's aren't restricted at 20 per month or 1 to 1.

When it comes to this my head really hurts cuz I can't keep it straight.

Isn't it 215 AE F/T's? Those are the guys currently in the schoolhouse. Aren't they limited to 20?

Recalls will be in the schoolhouse in June(welcome back).

After the last furloughee is called the 'off the street' hiring starts. That's where the 824 at 1:1 comes into play.

Is that right or do I need to take more aspirin?

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There are still 200 plus F/T that have APA numbers still at eagle. They go to AA in order of seniority after the furloughs, then the other 824 F/T ( who don't have APA numbers will be the 2:1 ratio with the street hires....... Can you pass me an aspirin too!! :-)

There were about 550 flowthru's with AA seniority numbers, but perhaps 50 declined during the "flow or not" window as per Nicolau's ruling, leaving about 500. The top (and all numbers here are approximate) half have seniority thousands to hundreds above the most junior native AA pilot and they will complete their flow by end of May.

That leaves about 250 flowthru's with AA numbers who are JUNIOR to every AA furloughee (basically stapled from the bottom of the most junior AA furloughee), so after AA makes its pass through all furloughees (first class for June has already been awarded), THEN they'll make class offers to this group of about 250 and THEN hire off the street (or mix 50/50 with another 824 Eagle captains IF that provision in Nicolau's award/remedy remains).

This last group of 250 (or so) start at first year pay and are at the very bottom, so unlike the senior group who got some pay and B-fund credit, many of these pilots might pass on shooting craps at AA, UNLESS things really go downhill at Eagle (which looks more likely every day). I'm told 1200 furloughees out there waiting for that first recall offer and I've heard the 1 for about every 5 calls, so that's about 250 out of the 1200. Personally, I think the recall acceptance rate will increase and result in perhaps 450-500 of these pilots accepting, but that's just a gut guess.

It means, in all likelyhood AA will have to go through bringing about 500-750 pilots through these channels before street hires and how long that takes depends on what's up AMR's sleeve and how many of these pilots come to (or come back to) AA. I'd think the earliest for street hires would be about a year. The key to look for as far as a heads up a few months in advance is an announcement for an application window, then you'll know AA is getting close to street hiring.

b-757/767...?

Good info - thanks ef. Regarding this paragraph:

For those furloughed AAers that bypass the first recall offer and instead take the three year holding pattern (that is an option, yes?), if they then return on the second (and final) recall offer, their seniority remains intact, as if they had accepted the first recall offer, right? Basically, no penalty for taking the three year wait-and-see option?

General question: What's the history of the F/T arrangement? How/why did APA ever agree to it? I don't see the benefit to the APA pilots. Sure, a relative handful got to flowback, but not many. The only benefit to AMR I can see is a small savings in application/interview costs, but that can't be much. F/T's still need all the training and other stuff a street hire would need.

There were some good F/T dudes in my class back in 2001. Not trying to be a tool to the F/T crowd, just wondering how this all happened. It was probably explained to me at some point back in 2001 at AA, but that was many lost brain cells ago...

Yep.....no penalty AFAIK, but I'm just a pup at AA and someone saltier should confirm.

The original Suppliment W/Letter 3 (as termed in each pilots contract) was an agreement by 4 parties (AA,APA,AE management, AE ALPA) to allow 67 RJ's at Eagle (42 EMB-145/25 CRJ-700). In exchange for allowing this the APA demanded furlough protection should AA shrink as a result of it. This protection involved an equal number of RJ captain slots at Eagle for AA furloughees displacing those who accepted the flowthru (known as CJ captains), i.e., it was the ability to bump those flowthru's completing their company imposed 2-year lock-in.

On the Eagle side, in exchage for getting the RJ's and giving up their seats to AA furloughees in the event of furlough, they got not only a seniority number at AA, but were assigned an actual class, but then withheld from that class (freeing up that seat for a street-hire) for 24 months, to allow AMR to recoup their training costs and ensure an orderly transition.

Several things then happened. First, AMR slipped both sides a rusty musket, by making an end run around the agreement and convincing Embraer to build smaller RJ's that could be placed at Eagle freely as they were under the LOA seating/MGW language and they started hiring at AA IMMEADIATELY, instead of the claim they wouldn't hire at AA for 2 years, allowing AE pilots to accrue senioirty at AA. As such, AE ended up with hundreds of the pesky little buggers........and well, I could expand for hours on that.

Next, was the TWA acquisition and then 9/11. The whole agreement then became nuttier then squirrel turds. about 150 flowthru's actually went to AA by 2001 before the music stopped and subsequently perhaps 400 or so AA furloughees came back to Eagle. With the latest 215 to flow, it has directly benefitted close to an equal number of pilots on either side who actually took benefit of its provisions, but my numbers admittedly aren't exact.