Cool, thx e/f.

So, it was something that was agreed upon by all in the beginning, and used by AMR to shaft all in the end. Copy.

What happens to the FT program if Eagle is sold by AMR? Do those FTs with AA seniority numbers (per Nic ruling) continue on to AA but the 800ish for the 1:1 new hires not? Seems very confusing trying to keep it all straight...

Well said. Sad but very true!

According to Nic grievance ruling clarification, all numbers including the 824 remedy numbers will flow regardless of sale or divesture.

Thanks for the info on the 250 F/T's tagging the AA furloughees. Probably read that at some point but Sam Adams probably killed those brain cells.

Yeah Mon!

Thanks to all for the FT corrections... my head hurts too!

So how many recalls for June? I heard a rumor there was 50 in June and 30 for July. Any word on how far down the list now?

Ace - Here's my recall without running down the exact numbers -

25 in June.

Havn't heard anthing official about July.

Junior guy @ 9558

Just short of 9600. Guessing it will be over 9600 for the second class in June.

Welcome back.

So how many furloughees are left to recall? The American info is showing 1890 on the street still.

Around 1100 now I think.

It looks like guys are starting to take their money and jump off the ship while the market is near the high water point. There were no mandatory retirements for May, but it looks like around 25 guys retired. That is a big jump from April.

1800+ guys on the street.

1200+ guys havn't been offered recall. (600+ deferrals to get the 1800+?)

Any talk of what the Aug 1 work rules change will mean for those recalls?

Is anyone on here a TWA recent recall that never worked for AMR. What is the process, indoc etc, surprises? My seniority is 9700 ish the last time I checked and i was wondering if I could expect a recall this summer. I am currently deployed and might need to make a call to check, any contact info would be appreciated.

Since they have offered recall to around 9544. I would expect that you would get a call in a couple of months. The recalls get a shortened verison on indoc and the regular long course for aircraft trn.

contact the furlough chairman for the APA. you should have all your personal profile updated especially email and phone. be safe

Heard from a friend at AA: Said a scheduler told him all would be recalled soon and that hiring would start shortly thereafter due to the staffing requirements as a result of the new rest rules. Not sure how quickly they can get the 1800 remaining furloughed bodies in the door.

I'll believe it when I see it (and when I get the phone call from AA).

1800 pilots on furlough, yes. However, a very high percentage of the remaining pilots on furlough are likely to defer or never come back. AA has had to call a large number of furloughs to fill the June classes.

That is not really the case. I believe they only had to call around 20 people to fill the first June recall class. The good news is that there will be two classes in July as well. They expect to have a total of 25 between the two July classes.

25 more recalls in the first June class.

Any idea how many they had to call to get 25?

The unofficial latest list I've seen shows seniority number 9566 as the junior number in the June 8th class. It seems that number may go to 9596 or so for the June 22nd class. Also, it seems that AA is going for another 25 recalls in July.

Just interviewed with B6 and their will be NO merger. They are sharing routes down in the Carribean, and that's about it. So let's dispense with the B.S. now.

Yeah, I am sure that they shared their long term corporate plans with a interviewee.

...... Lmao

They called 41 total to fill the first class. It worked out to about a 33% recall acceptance rate. However, the first sample group is such a small number that it will be a few more classes before you can peg a for real recall acceptance rate range... FYI.

-Mason-

Mason - 41 calls with a 33% acceptance rate? That's 13, were the other 12 undeferrals?

25 pilots for the month, so 13 for one class and 12 for the other.

ah...41 calls to get 13 for the first class. Oops.

News Headlines

CHICAGO, May 5 (Reuters) - Boeing Co on Thursday said it took orders for two 777s from American Airlines, one 737, and one 767 -- both from unidentified customers -- in the latest week. Boeing, which competes for orders with EADS unit Airbus, also said Korean Air was the buyer of two 777s that had previously been attributed to an unidentified customer. The company also identified American Airlines as the customer for one widebody 777 previously listed as unidentified. Boeing said it lost one order for a narrowbody 737 in the latest week but did not identify the customer. The changes bring the net total orders for Boeing Commercial Airplanes to 109 for the year. Shares of Boeing were up 29 cents at $79.13 on the New York Stock Exchange. (Reporting by Kyle Peterson; Editing by Phil Berlowitz) Keywords: BOEING/ ([email protected] ; +1 312 408 8581; Reuters Messaging: [email protected]) COPYRIGHT Copyright Thomson Reuters 2011. All rights reserved.


Are these 2 777s in addition to the other 2 that were announced it April?

Howdy from Laughlin AFB, TX
 

Howdy Hoss........I'm an Air Force guy (looking to retire and be ready to fly for AA after the first of the year).....love to make an AA contact here for updated intel reports....

vr

Wrap

I believe so.

Looks like the light at the end of the tunnel might grow bigger!!

Well they have not hired in almost 10 years and have 1800 guys still on furlough. Not to burst your bubble but I don't see AA in your future after the first of the year!

I would have to agree. If recalls continue to number only 25 a month, it's going to be a while before they get through the remainder of the furlough list - not to mention the Eagle guys with AA seniority numbers that will flow-through as well. The good news is that age 65 kicks in late next year, so it is possible that we will then finally begin to see some real movement at AA.

But how many of those 1800 are either not flying, or are captains out places like Jetblue or Airtran? Most of the 1800 have been furloughed going on 10 years.

that is the $64,000 question that a lot of us would love to know..

I agree that many have no intention of ever coming back, but it does seems that the acceptance rate for the two June classes and the first July class seems to be higher than many had expected. Granted, it's a small sample to this point, but it does seem support the notion that a good number of furloughed guys and gals have NOT moved on to something better after all these years.
My personal guess is that the initial acceptance rate will be somewhere between 30 and 40 percent. If you throw in prior deferrals and the Eagle flow-throughs with seniority numbers at AA, it could very well be two years or more before we see anyone hired off the street. Can you imagine the career that some of those young "new-hires" will enjoy? How about for a 25 year old in the first "new-hire" class at AA in eleven or twelve years? It's all about timing!

July class
 

you reference the July class as though you have details to who accepted and where they are on the list, would you mind sharing. What was the last seniority # offered recall and the last that accepted in July?

Thanks