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Old 07-17-2012 | 07:29 AM
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The Jones Act requires US crews on ships that remain within US waters. That's why the Alaskan cruises begin in Canada.

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Old 07-17-2012 | 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
The Jones Act requires US crews on ships that remain within US waters. That's why the Alaskan cruises begin in Canada.

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Now they sail out of Seattle too, and just make a stop at Victoria, BC for a few hours to comply with the rule.
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Old 07-17-2012 | 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Fat Jesus
Ironic, seeing as how all the foreign car makes you listed, ship their profits back over seas, while at the same time stifling unionized labor in their factories and paying less than their American counterparts.
You can't command 60 bucks an hour plus overtime with full benefits and an immortal pension for air gunning wheels onto cars or any skill that you can learn in days, weeks or even a few months with no other education required. In any case, cabotae is a far, far greater threat then ownership. And speaking of profits over seas, our good old apple pie US &A amurikah companies aren't doing that?

And look at VX, Branson has found numerous ways to "legally" inject unlimited amounts of money into that white elephant even with existing laws.
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Old 07-17-2012 | 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperConductor
I can tell by the limited response to this thread having been started over a year ago, and ZERO responses to it till now that we're in A LOT of trouble. Pilots need to stand up and take notice!! The airlines are trying to open the doors to OUTSOURCE you.

There needs to be a zero-tolerance policy on foreign ownership. This would be the doors opening to "cabotage".

Cabotage
/ˈkæbətɨ/ is the transport of goods or passengers between two points in the same country by a vessel or an aircraft registered in another country.


Before you know it all airliners here in the USA will be flagged in the Bahamas but operating from US point to US point, and crewed by commuting Filipinos willing to work for pennies on the dollar. Just like the cruise-lines are now. This would be The Airlines for America's wet dream come true. Ah-ahh! Not on my watch!.
there aren't enough filipino pilots to staff philippine airlines how are they going to send them here?
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Old 07-17-2012 | 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by beeker
there aren't enough filipino pilots to staff philippine airlines how are they going to send them here?
Easy.

HELP WANTED: We are looking for individuals interested in working for XX airline. No experience needed. We will pay for your training, provide you room and board while you are employed and will pay you $10,000 per year, which you can send home via Western Union. Applicants will get their ATP minimums while teaching other new students. Applicants will upgrade to captain after 2 months of on-the-job training. 20 year training commitment required.

Sure beats working in a farm field for less than minimum wage.
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Old 07-18-2012 | 12:37 AM
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No, the only reason we don't already have foreign ownership here is because groups like alpa fight it tooth and nail. Have you ever looked at foreign pay scales, American pilots are the some of the lowest paid pilots out there. We are the cheap labour we should worry about. Why do you think so many of us do contract work abroad, its not for the exotic food, it's because thats where the money is.
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Old 07-18-2012 | 04:02 AM
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Originally Posted by cmrflyer
No, the only reason we don't already have foreign ownership here is because groups like alpa fight it tooth and nail. Have you ever looked at foreign pay scales, American pilots are the some of the lowest paid pilots out there. We are the cheap labour we should worry about. Why do you think so many of us do contract work abroad, its not for the exotic food, it's because thats where the money is.
OK Money, employ at will, no unions, crappy work rules, occasionally weird cultural differences, bias against yank pilots. Ask any expat pilot who has seen both where life is better - a US major or a overseas contract gig.

Of course the best airline to work for is the one that hires you - until the next better one does. I'm sure a expat contract gig beats unemployment, and I'm sure any WB job beats just about any RJ job

Were majority foreign ownership to pass what would the status be of pilot unions and the ability to use alter ego, or lower paid airliner within an airline type operations? I think we know the answer to that....
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Old 07-18-2012 | 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by TANSTAAFL
OK Money, employ at will, no unions, crappy work rules, occasionally weird cultural differences, bias against yank pilots. Ask any expat pilot who has seen both where life is better - a US major or a overseas contract gig....
I know it is diverting from the point of this thread but it really all depends on who you ask, the level of satisfaction varies from person to person and you get guys that will go back as soon as something becomes available, others are bypassing for as long as they can and even renouncing their seniority at majors to stay doing what they are doing (I know this is hard to swallow but it is what it is) employment at will and no union is not always a bad thing, in times where demand for trained and experienced pilots is on the rise, this has created a steady increase in terms and conditions in contracts abroad and you can take your experience to another gig without starting at the bottom. The next decade at least should be very good for contract work, I am not saying that it is an alternate for a career at a major in the US, but for those of us that are a little advanced in age and experience, it presents a good alternative to start from the bottom when you only have 10 or 15 years left in this paid hobby of ours.

Sorry for the thread drift
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